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Bale's Batman vs Urban's Dredd: Who wins?

What would happen if these two movie heroes were forced to face off? Would Batman fall before the law or would Dredd get a bat-kick to the helmet?

Who's left standing?
Who's left standing?

Judge Dredd, a ruthless law enforcer who will not yield until justice is served. Batman, a stealthy combatant determined to strike fear into criminals after the tragic death of his parents. Both operate in completely different and effective ways, but what would happen if they were targeting one another? What if The Dark Knight thought Dredd is a villain in need of taking down... and what if Dredd was under the impression Batman is a criminal and the sentence is death? Would Batman's vanishing act take down Dredd or will he end up riddled with bullets? Let's discuss.

Beware, there will be spoilers about Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy and Dredd 3D below.

Can raw skill overcome a technological edge?
Can raw skill overcome a technological edge?
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To keep things simple, let's assume they're in a standard city block completely free of pedestrians. It'll be night time and they'll start at opposite ends of the block. This should be a pretty neutral scenario. After all, throwing down in Mega-City One or Gotham would give either unfair advantages. And just in case you glossed over the feature title, this is using the modern movie versions of both characters. Naturally, this is Batman in his peak physical condition. Using older and damaged Batman would be silly and biased.

Dredd's Advantages

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Dredd is bringing some major advantages to the table. His standard issue firearm is quite a beast. Aside from spewing generic bullets, we saw first-hand the impressive amount of variety it packs. The weapon can launch an incendiary round that is capable of lighting up an entire section, stun blasts to subdue targets, high explosives, armor piercing rounds and much more. A clear connect with any of these to Wayne is going to be devastating and to top it off, Dredd proved he isn't a shabby shot either. At the conclusion of the first action sequence we see Dredd almost effortlessly defuse a hostage situation... by shooting the villain in the mouth. It's a shame Batman doesn't have kevlar over his mouth.

Even if Batman smacks the weapon out of his hand, Dredd showed he's no slouch in hand-to-hand as well. When another Judge tried to grapple with Dredd, the end result was having his trachea crushed. Ouch. While he's not as good as Wayne in that department, he's not someone that'll be easy to drop. He's a tough fellow and his armor is sure to soak some strikes as well. An armor piercing round ripped through his torso and the man didn't even mutter a word. That's some darn good pain tolerance.

But Dredd is much more than an advanced pistol of destruction equipped by brawn. The man's mind is disputably the most dangerous weapon of them all. If he thinks someone is guilty, he's not going to negotiate. He's not going to falter in the face of overwhelming odds or fear (a key tactic for Batman). He's going to go after his target until justice is served -- and in this case, it means a bullet in Batman.

Batman's Advantages

Stealth: not to be underestimated.
Stealth: not to be underestimated.

Yes, Dredd's lack of morals and ability to take down Gotham's hero with a single shot is a rather large advantage, but the real question is if Dredd could even shoot Batman. If having a gun was all it took to overcome him, then I imagine Batman Begins would have been an especially short movie. This isn't to downplay Dredd's talent with a firearm, but instead compliment how insanely talented Bruce Wayne has become with stealth capabilities.

For example, let's reflect on the cargo yard scene in Batman Begins. Big shot criminal Carmine Falcone is under the protection of a fair amount of gunmen. Despite being outnumbered and facing pistols and submachine guns, Batman swoops in and out of the shadows, taking them out one-by-one before they have an opportunity to get a lock on him. Sure, it's logical to assume this fodder isn't nearly as effective as the Judge, but moments like this one make it certainly fair to say Batman has become a master of stealth and hit-and-run tactics. This is absolutely a factor worth taking into account, especially in a traditional city block. Regardless of how the fight goes down, Batman won't be an easy target.

While Dredd demonstrated some ruthless brutality in his tactics, Wayne is disputably the more talented combatant. If he can get close and disarm Dredd, his advantage in technique should eventually be a game changer. While Dredd's firearm brings a lot to the battle, Bruce has a few toys of his own. His grappling gun and cape means he can move in ways Dredd might not expect and further compliments his abilities to vanish into the shadows. Aside from the standard batarangs (one bouncing off of Dredd's helmet would be hilarious), Batman also has smaller batarangs that can render a target unconscious in mere moments, sharp gauntlets on his wrists and of course, smoke pellets.

The Verdict

"I am the law" vs "I'm Batman"

While Batman definitely has what it takes to bring down Dredd, I think too many factors need to go perfectly in his favor for him to justifiably earn a victory. Gotham's hero needs to properly take advantage of the stealth provided by the environment, close the gap and then take down Dredd swiftly. It's an obstacle he can accomplish, but even if he starts laying into Dredd, there's no guarantee that the Judge won't successfully get off a lucky shot in close range. Batman is going to need at least a combo or two here. Meanwhile, Dredd just needs one clean shot. Batman's motivation to knock Dredd out instead of killing him also means he'll be holding back to some degree if and when it comes down to fisticuffs. This keeps the anti-hero in the game longer and gives him more opportunities to use his powerful pistol against DC's A-lister.

This is of course just taking into account when Batman manages to bring it face-to-face. It's also totally feasible that Dredd blasts Batman apart with his assortment of projectiles before Batman can get close. As for Batman's tranqs, they have the potential to be a huge wildcard, but it's important to note that the target zone on Dredd which is vulnerable to this weapon is very, very limited.

For me, Dredd's pain tolerance, technology and willingness to kill are key here. In the end, I think it's more likely for a battered and bruised Dredd to walk away from a dead Dark Knight.

Do you agree or disagree with this outcome? Speak your mind below!
Do you agree or disagree with this outcome? Speak your mind below!

Gregg Katzman is a freelance writer for Comic Vine and IGN Entertainment. He's happy to be alive in a year that has been so great for comic book movies.

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I'd say Batman, Judge Dredd way is weaker than Batman's. Plus Batman has cool gadgets too.

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@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:

@k4tzm4n said:

Well, it looks like a hardcover for all of the Batman/Dredd crossovers is coming out this November!

Really? That's awesome! I'm so going to buy that!

Just FYI it came out: http://www.comicvine.com/batmanjudge-dredd-collection-hc/37-369655/
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@k4tzm4n said:

Well, it looks like a hardcover for all of the Batman/Dredd crossovers is coming out this November!

Really? That's awesome! I'm so going to buy that!

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Well, it looks like a hardcover for all of the Batman/Dredd crossovers is coming out this November! 

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Movie Version Batman os nothing like the comics. Batman isn't that fast or that great in hand to hand. No Dredd wins alone on his armor piercing rounds or incinerating ones. Bat has no prep and Judge would find his vigilantism illegal sentance him to x-number of years in the isocubes. If bats resists arrest Dredd has no problem using force. If dredd had troubles he would just call in back up and then you really have trouble.

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@k4tzm4n said:

@nrgb2814 said:

Great article! I was thinking all of this when watching Dredd 3D!

Thank you and me too, man! Happy to know I'm not the only one thinking of crazy crossovers and what ifs while watching a movie :D

Dude, I've thought of crazy crossovers with EVERY movie XD

Batman vs. pirates of the Caribbean being one of the more interesting ones!

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@mk111 said:

Batman wins because he's Batman. 'nuff said.

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is it okay to say this IM AM THE LAWWWWWW.

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@DarkKnightDetective said:

If it is movie versions, then I agree. comic book I do not.

I agree with you. Bale's Batman is kind of a p*ssy when compared to the comic Batman. Karl Urban would whoop his ass

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Latest movie versions? Dredd all the way.

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BATMAN over DREDD, URBAN over BALE

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I feel, that if Dredd got into a full hand 2 hand confrontation with Batman (movie versions), that Batman has a fairly serious edge; we have seen Bale take down NUMEROUS gangsters and villains with his fighting ability, while we only saw Urban take down another Judge. Since we do not have any kind of scale to determine the difficulty of that feat, it is nearly impossible to say Dredd has any kind of an advantage here. We did see Anderson take down 2 gang members at the same time with no weapons, and it is safe to assume that Dredd is by far the superior fighter. So, we know that Dredd can handle at least 2 at once, with ease. But, pick a fight scene from the Baleman movies, and he is fighting 6 - 10 opponents at once. So, the question is, 'How do the poverty stricken, drug addicted, gang members of Mega City 1 stack up against Gotham's lackeys and henchmen?' since there is no defining factor (which can be solved by a sequel), I can only make a numerically based decision, and say that Batman takes it in a battle of fisticuffs, albeit not easily, but definitely.

When taking into account the neutral settings, and giving Bale and Urban their tech and weapons, it changes a lot of factors. It no longer becomes a battle strictly of skill, but luck as well. 1 AP round from a lawgiver to Bale, be it torso or extremities, and the fight is severly in Urbans favor. if it is a grenade or incendiary round, well, then the fight is done.

I also feel that Dredd was a bit more tenacious than Batman, and displayed an intense tolerance to pain; when coupled with an undying perseverance to deal justice, no matter the adversity, Urban makes for a more potent opponent than Bale. Bale has the skill, but Urban has the rest. Urban wins 7/10.

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It seems a lot of you 4got this fight is about the 'Movie versions' not comicbook ones.....

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@timelord786 said:

Batman would win because he losing is not something he does.

Yet he has done it.

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Batman would win because he losing is not something he does.

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batman ALLWAYS wins

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  @Ferro Vida said:

Molto bene, K4tz.

Prego (and yes, I had to google the appropriate response). 
 
@Mercy_
hah, thank you! 
 
@fluffypigeons
Sound reasoning, sir.  But yeah, this isn't about the quality of the movies (even then, Dredd 3D is a good film) but instead what if the leads went face to face in a battle. 
 
@minigunman123 said:

@k4tzm4n said:

@minigunman123 said:

("it's not smoke... it's anesthetic gas").

That's Batman from the animated movie Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths, not Bale's Batman ;)

Hahaha, you just became one of my favorites.

haha, thanks!
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wow is this a freaking stupid joke juge dredd SUCKS and i have not seen the movie but I now it is going to SUCK SUCK....SUCK SUCK sucky

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This is awesome O_O

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@k4tzm4n said:

@minigunman123 said:

("it's not smoke... it's anesthetic gas").

That's Batman from the animated movie Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths, not Bale's Batman ;)

Hahaha, you just became one of my favorites.

After thinking on it more, Bale's Batman didn't think of anything special to take down Bane, he just beat him up... Maybe Dredd would take this. As I've said I haven't seen the movie yet, sadly :( going to see it some time soon hopefully.

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Molto bene, K4tz.

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@minigunman123 said:

("it's not smoke... it's anesthetic gas").


That's Batman from the animated movie Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths, not Bale's Batman ;)
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@k4tzm4n said:

@ReVamp said:

Still haven't watched it, so I can't decide. I'm even afraid of reading Dredd's section in this article xP

Yeah, take note of the spoiler warning. Stay away until you watch it, sir!

Damn, I didn't know the movie even came out yet. I'll have to go see it.

Anyway, from what I know of Dredd I'd have to say that Bale's Batman may have an edge; his technology was rather cutting-edge and he's not above using technological and deceptive tactics to disarm and terrorize or even poison/drug Dredd ("it's not smoke... it's anesthetic gas").

Dredd is a boss. But Batman is more subtle and cunning. I think that he can beat even the great Judge.

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Urban's Dredd would curb stomp Bale's Batman, sorry. Nolan's version of Batman isn't the wonderman from the Comics ... he's far more vulnerable and realistic. More human, so to speak. Dredd is not only a tougher hombre than anything Bale's faced in any of his three movies, but a far better equipped and dangerous combatant as well. Plus, Dredd really doesn't care about sparing life; if he finds you guilty ... he'll kill you. He has no qualms about it, unlike Batman, who often goes out of his way to spare people. I'd imagine if the two are going head to head in a fight then Dredd is out to Judge (which generally means kill, at least in Dredd's mind) Bale. And why wouldn't he? Bale is fighting Dredd which means that Bale is resisting arrest and attacking a Judge, and this, of course, equals a death sentence in Dredd's world. Bale's kevlar body armor isn't going to stop the Lawgiver's varied assortment of firepower and I doubt he could beat Dredd in melee either. Sadly, I think Urban's Dredd has more personality than Bale's Batman as well - not that matters in a fight, but I just wanted to take the jab. Dredd's tough guy voice is better, too.

Sonar goggles aren't helping you at here, Bats. Be Judged, pal.

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Dredd rather convincingly., Bale's Batman has never gone up against someone like him, someone who isn't interested in chatting. I think a few incendiary rounds could limit Batman's stealth quickly.

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@Rixecsaid:

You forgot to take one important factor into your reasoning: Batman always wins.

@ReVamp

said:

But... its Batman...

Batman all the way

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Bat-god would win.

I never bet against Bat-god. With prep time, he can never be beaten. Scientific fact.

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Batman vs Dredd.... Pft

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i love both characters but jason todd wins lol dredd takes it.

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Movie wise Dredd, comic wise Batman

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Batman fought The Law and... The Law won?

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Seeing as how this is Bale's Batman he wouldn't stand a chance. An armor piercing round to the face and it's game over.

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Agreed..Dredd wins =)

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I'm going to have to go with Dredd on this. Batman would stand a fair chance, but would lose.

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It's really hilariously sad that there are people in this talking about it as if it's the comic versions.

Come on.

It's in the f**king title.

It's about the movies.

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The Punisher vs Judge Dredd is much more even fight. Also Punisher would win.

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If Batman had prep time he would definitely win. The only advantage Dredd would have is that it was Nolan's Batman and not the comic book Batman who always has a backup plan.

I'd like to see Dredd try to fight Batman after The Court of Owls arc. lol

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As much training as Bats has in not getting shot, Dredd has as much in shooting people, so the advantage is highly in his favor barring the whole "He's Batman so of course he wins" factor.

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@FrankenKong said:

Bales Batman has throat cancer while Judge Dredd can speak in a normal menacing voice....nuff said.

Listening to a conversation between the two would be pretty amusing.
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Bales Batman has throat cancer while Judge Dredd can speak in a normal menacing voice....nuff said.

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@Lvenger said:

Awesome article k4zm4n and one with which I definitely agree with. Movie Dredd stomps movie Batman for sure. It's the other way round with comic book versions of course. Looking forward to more of these!

Thank you!  
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@Reignmaker: Or, it's to keep it topical since both had excellent movies this year and a battle between the two latest film versions is something that hasn't been discussed.  I elaborated more than a fair deal in the feature why I think the battle has the potential to be interesting and provided reasons why I think those factors are key.  If you disagree, that's perfectly fine, but it's not "stretching" anything.  This isn't some anti-Batman nonsense, especially seeing as I love Batman and am only a recent fan of Dredd.  
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@Mad_Wolverine: Only Dredd is not vulnerable to kryptonite...

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just saying he is Batman and always wins is weakest argument of all time...

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I saw Dredd the Movie.

Blu-Ray BUY!!!

and Yes...Batman would have to stand down on this one. Seeing he can't get in close enough or its to dangerous, he'd try to talk his way out. THAT WON'T WORK with Dredd.

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"Dredd's pain tolerance, technology and willingness to kill are key here."

Um, yeah. Batman has never faced that before. ROFL. You're stretching it, Gregg. And you know it.

Is there a reason you distinguish it as Bale's Batman? Is it because Batman in the comics is capable of single-handedly taking out the Justice League? Did you feel the need to purposely gimp Batman for this fight?

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Dredd FTW  

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As much as I love Batman he's not the LAW!!!!!!;)