AVENGERS & X-MEN #1 Teaser #2

From this, to your comment about not banning alcohol; I'm really starting to think you're a naughty girl, irl.

Oh no, I drink and know what glasses champagne is drunk from, I must be so naughty.

@lateralus said:

@squares said:

@okayalright_44 said:

@squares said:

Is he supposed to be drinking champagne? Because that's not the kind of glass you drink champagne from.

From this, to your comment about not banning alcohol; I'm really starting to think you're a naughty girl, irl.

Oh no, I drink and know what glasses champagne is drunk from, I must be so naughty.

That girl looks as pretty as Squares does and her hair is the same color. Naughtiness Confirmed

@squares said:

I'm more concerned about the fact that he drinks ANYTHING! He's an alcoholic, for Christ sake!

He also said that there are "other agents of the end times" and that there's no running from fate, fate being the end of the world via the incursions. No matter what anyone does or doesn't do, it'll happen regardless.

Please... Make it go away...

I wonder if this will all comes back to Tony splitting the Phoenix and creating the Phoenix Five and then in the end resulting in Xavier getting killed which led to the Red Skull getting his brain.

@waezi2: That is an excellent point.

@okayalright_44: I'm, uh, not sure what to say about all this...so I'll say nothing.

@squares:

oh great make the one man who probably would never want to be the bad guy the fault of what axis may bring.... and cap seriously? captain America looks awful with that

oh great make the one man who probably would never want to be the bad guy the fault of what axis may bring.... and cap seriously? captain America looks awful with that

Hideous armor

its suppose to be axis front way and upside down, lol.

I'm not sure if an alcoholic should be drinking wine or champagne O_O.

Wow, Marvel is full of douches these days.

I couldn't agree with you more here. Everyone HATES Tony now because Cap was being a douche and calling him a traitor. I can see how a close-minded person would personally think that, but I also think that he doesn't realize that he really IS trying to save everyone from the Incursions but he's destroying planets while he thinks of a better way to do so. Now, because of Caps actions it totally disbanded the Illuminati and now the Cabal is running a muck causing chaos and who KNOWS what will happen in 8 months when the final Incursion comes. Cause think about it, in New Avengers Namor was the one who detonated the bomb, no one else. He then subsequently went on to CREATE the Cabal to destroy more and more and more worlds. So, if Cap wants to blame ANYONE in the Illuminati it should be Namor.

I think blowing up that planet was the most heroic thing Namor has ever done.

@jonny_anonymous: The people who died might not feel the same way. They might not have liked Dr. Strange murdering their heroes first. Considering that in the next issue the Illuminati had just given up and the Black Panther decided to have sex with Storm instead of warning anyone I think right or wrong still covers it. Marvel has abandoned morality and heroism and now it looks like they are getting ready to celebrate the worst of their heroes. I'm really thinking of rooting for the Red Skull to win this battle. At least he's honestly evil.

What are you even talking about? They saved entire god damn universes.

@jonny_anonymous: Dr. Strange murdered. Namor murdered even more. If you go by the philosophy that's ok to kill one to save two then what they did could be considered right. I don't agree. Plus in the next issue when they decided not to blow up the next world full of innocent people and just let the universe die Reed went to Latveria to see Val, Tony Stark poured himself drinks and decided to beat the bottle one last time, Beast talked to his younger self, Dr. Strange sulked and the Black Panther decided to have sex with Storm. Maybe he was hoping that they'd climax as the incursion happened and he'd go out with a bang but he didn't have the staying power. Namor went out and formed his own group so they they keep blowing up worlds. So you have Namor who's blowing up worlds and you have the rest of the Illuminati that were not only going to let the world blow up without even trying to stop it, they were also going to keep it a secret.

For marvel this is the height of heroism, or at least it represents the ends justify the means style they've adopted since civil war, to me I think I'd go with the Red Skull. Again he's honestly an evil person and so far as I know he hasn't blown up any worlds. In truth there is no one in the mu that I'd trust to do anything heroic once push came to shove. They're all ready to stab each other in the back or abandon each other and while marvel may consider treachery heroic I do not.

@mark_stephen: So you'd let two universes die? What kind of hero would that be? Youre sticking to fake make believe comic moralism.

@jonny_anonymous: So you'd murder one person to save two? You're sticking to flawed real world thinking.

@mark_stephen: no but I sure as hell would two save to entire universes

@jonny_anonymous: The principle is the same, only the scale is different.

@teerack: I only agree to a certain degree. Yes he DID save not only the earth but the entire universe, but at what cost? I know everyone gave up and was ready to die, but in creating the Cabal its gonna screw a LOT of things up for EVERYONE and put this entire multi verse in jeprody.

@mark_stephen: And the scale makes all the difference. One planet isn't even a blip on the untold trillions upon trillions that make up two universes, The magnitude of the amount of people that would die is off the chart, it's literally a number two large to count and you would condemn them all to die because you somehow think it's the "right" thing to do? If the Illuminati hadn't done what they did that planet would of died anyway. Galactus does this on a daily basis, it's why he exists. Only a coward would sit back while universes died around him and convince himself he was "right".

@jonny_anonymous: Which is what the rest of the Illuminati did in the next issue. Who exactly gave them the right to blow up worlds anyway? And then who told them to just give up? Hickman has managed to leach away the heroism that even Namor used to possess and at this point when they go up against the Red Skull in Axis I'm looking it like the Jets versus the Sharks. It doesn't matter who wins.

@mark_stephen: Right because that's something you need permission for....

@jonny_anonymous: Permission? No. Telling the rest of the universe that that it may die unless something is done? Yes.

@mark_stephen: I'm still waiting on you actually come up with a better solution other than "let everything die"

@jonny_anonymous: There is none. As the story is structured and the characters written there are only two options, I just think letting everything die is better. Life really isn't that great. Especially as we are talking about the marvel universe where treachery is common and death is a joke. The entire storyline has featured poor characterization and dead end plotting all designed to drive home the point that when push comes to shove survival and not principle is the greater heroism. That is something I don't agree with.

@mark_stephen: And what about the other universe you would be condemning to death? For all you know it's a utopia.

@jonny_anonymous: If it was indeed a utopia then it would kill itself to save the other universe. Utopia's tend to be noble places.

But Hickman is writing this story and so far he's shown that selfish, egotistical characters win the day and well meaning noble characters fail and die.