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Are We On The Verge Of Another Visit From The Phoenix Force?

Hope could be the next vessel for the Phoenix Force, and if so how will the X-Men combat their own Mutant Messiah?

Since Hope first came onto the scene she was considered the "Mutant Messiah," being that she was the first mutant to be born after M Day. But what does her existence really represent? Why is she important? Marvel recently teased the zero issue and start of their upcoming event, Avengers Vs. X-Men that might clue us into what may be in store for Hope Summers. The conversation begins with Cyclops reprimanding Hope for disobeying his orders, but very quickly jumps to Hope demanding that Cyclops "tell [her] about the Phoenix Force." This conversation sort of comes out of nowhere and ends with Hope blasting Cyclops with his own optic blast -- a move that was more than a little bit unjustified.

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Here's the funny thing about the Phoenix Force, it doesn't normally ask the host permission to come in, and if the host is a little bit unstable (albeit, temperamental), it could lead to some serious problems. Even Emma Frost -- as strong willed and level-headed as she is -- was not not able to properly contain and control the Phoenix Force during Marvel's PHOENIX: ENDSONG story arc. What would happen if the Phoenix Force returned and did choose Hope as its new host?

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In the words of Cyclops himself, mutantkind cannot afford to lose Hope -- in this case, both figuratively and literally. Hope is the reason that Nightcrawler sacrificed himself during Second Coming -- the X-Men have done everything in their power to protect her. But why? And was Bishop right? Bishop did, after all, claim that the "mutant messiah" would also be responsible for the deaths of millions during the Six Second War. What other force could cause that much damage in six seconds? The Phoenix Force can not only go toe to toe with Galactus, but it can incinerate the entire planet like we saw in WHAT IF: PHOENIX HAD NOT DIED? Or destroy a planet, killing five billion people just to quench it's own desire for destruction? So what if the Phoenix Force did return, what then? And what if it returned during Avengers Vs. X-Men?

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At the end of PHOENIX: ENDSONG the Phoenix Force had shattered into thousands of pieces, so when the force returned in PHOENIX: WARSONG (which was also the last time the X-Men had to deal with the force), it manifested itself within the Stepford Cuckoos, the cloned daughters of Emma Frost.

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The force claimed the minds and bodies of the three girls, manifesting itself within them and began to cause destruction wherever it went -- that is until Celeste, one of the Cuckoos, hardened her heart and that of her two sisters in order to trap the Phoenix Force. If the force returns and manifests in Hope Summers, could this trigger the force trapped within the Cuckoos?

What will happen to Hope? Do you think that the Phoenix Force will take over Hope? If so, when and how will the X-Men stop it?

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@gravitypress said:

Not sure if anyone saw this so............

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Seen it, but its still bad@$$.
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@fables87:

Why would Jean give Scott Hell? Him moving on after her death would be what she'd want.

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@gravitypress: I read about it but hadnt seen anything about it. DUDE THAT COVER ALMOST MAKES ME WANT TO READ THIS!!!!!

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Not sure if anyone saw this so............

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@Mrfuzzynutz said:

I'm afraid I no longer care about the X-men anymore. They just seem to be so far out of the loop of Marvel they could almost have their own imprint. I think the final blow was when they gave us Colossusnaut!

I get it...time travel, mutant extinction and the phoenix force.

Every storyline has something to do with these three plot devices...I wish I could see something new for a change out of them

LOL I agree. Colossusnaut is extremely lame. Even the Phoenix imbued Sword was stupid. Those three storylines are pretty boring. Anyone remember the last time mutant extinction was tried (i.e. The Legacy Virus) and how boring that got?

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I'm afraid I no longer care about the X-men anymore. They just seem to be so far out of the loop of Marvel they could almost have their own imprint. I think the final blow was when they gave us Colossusnaut!

I get it...time travel, mutant extinction and the phoenix force.

Every storyline has something to do with these three plot devices...I wish I could see something new for a change out of them

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Hopefully this time they can explain the Phoenix more. Like why does a cosmic abstract keep harassing these guys?

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I think it's pretty obvious that Kid Omega will be the next Phoenix avatar.....

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@CWB: ou men you are so damn right just bring her back like in new x-men
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Please just bring Jean back....

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Let the story arc be as good as the original one or even better and I won't be complaining ...

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Six seconds, really? Damn maybe Bishop was right. I think that fight with Cyclops and Hope was so stupid and rushed tho

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@DarkChris said:

I hope!

This joke was performed in front of a live ostrich. HA HA!

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I'm all set with the Phoenix character and story line..NEXT! :)

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Will there be a plot accompanying the return of the Phoenix Force ?

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end song is laughable not only is emma a b*tch she actually thinks she can take on jean lol diamond protection can only get you so far ..... scott and emma deserve eachother they are both jerks

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@thatlad said:

@EugeneSaxe said:

It seems like the Phoenix visits about as often as Aunt Flo, once every 28-30 days. And much like Flo, the visits grow old and unwanted.

and bloody

lmao

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If Jean comes back, I wonder how she will react to Logan's school. Haha. Maybe it'll finally bring them together. Maybe.

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havent u readind x-men??? come on live the post but the last part, in uncanny x-men the phoenix leave the girls.. as well it leave rachel and korvu's sword

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@EugeneSaxe said:

It seems like the Phoenix visits about as often as Aunt Flo, once every 28-30 days. And much like Flo, the visits grow old and unwanted.

and bloody

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@sora_thekey said:

@Babs said:

If the force returns and manifests in Hope Summers, could this trigger the force trapped within the Cuckoos?

The phoenix force trapped withing the Cuckoos left them during Nation X. It seemed that the pieces were trying to re-group. So it's possible that whatever is coming for Hope will in fact be the fully reestablished Phoenix.

Took the words right out of my mouth. This has been building for a long time, thing is. I have no anticipation leading upto it. Avenger's Vs X-Men should be a major thing in the comic book world, I should be counting the days....I'm not though. Barely interested in the storyline or hope. The only reason I got it is because I've naturally dropped a few books recently (dajen, x-23, children's crusade soon). I am more excited about the next x-force arc, amazing what simply telling good stories can do.

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i really don't want hope to be a reincarnated jean. that sounds lame. i'm cool with jean coming back if the story is better than when she died last time. i really want hope to turn out to really be Scarlet Witch's daughter, which would also explain why she has kick ass mutant powers and how she was able to be born in spite of "no more mutants." wanda was out of town a WHILE, she could have gotten knocked up ;)

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@KidSupreme: This is happening, it wont be quick, you will not like this. Lmao!

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I really hope not. At this point, the Phoenix Force has become a joke messing with a bunch of disenfranchised mutants versus doing cosmic-level important functions. I kind of wish it was retconned out of the series and it was just explained as Jean reaching the ultimate potential of a psychic.

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oh no not again!

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Oh who the hell cares at this point?!?!? Whatever happens, the Phoenix'll be back by the next year! The only person that can challenge THAT comeback record is Aunt May!!! Which is funny considering how Peter is always worried about his old feeble aunt!

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It's either gonna be Hope or the Scarlet Witch. It would be great if it was the latter but it's obviously gonna be hope.

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I do not think Jean is coming back. At least not in this event. AvX is supposed to reconcile events that transpired during Avengers Disassembled and House of M. They should focus on fixing all of that before anything else. Jean coming back now would be too much. I have hard time trying to imagine Jean and Hope co-existing. It's either one or the other. One of them has to go.

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"If the force returns and manifests in Hope Summers, could this trigger the force trapped within the Cuckoos?"

Umm, the Stepford Cuckoos are no longer in possession of the Phoenix Force. It left them just before Second Coming, and scanning for it revealled that it was moving further and further away, but not travelling through space. In other words, it was heading into the future, possibly to meet a time-travelling Hope or a ressurected/whatever-ed Wanda. Likewise, both Rachel and Korvus lost their own connections to the PF at about the same time.

Do some research, guys. Please?

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i dont care if phoenix comes back, but i want jean to come back...with or without phoenix

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What if Wanda is the new hostess of Phoenix Force? Or someone too powerfull as Franklin or Legion? Scarlet Witch is RED Head... No More Humans???????????

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Cyclops: It only causes problems... KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!

Hope: It is fire you overpaid clown

Cyclops: Oh. Protect us Hope!

Hope: #$!@%$

that is exactly how this will happen, but in all seriousness, I can't wait for AvX

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@jcbart: damn, that all sounds pretty precise and well thought out. kudos :)

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Really?? I would have thought Marvel had made this as glarringly obvious as possible. Marvel is not really big on subtle.

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It seems like everybody (including the writers) are forgetting some very important and planted story elements in this whole whoopla.

1) Jean Grey is not dead. She's in The White Hot Room collecting fragments of the Phoenix Force to make her and it whole again.

2) Related to above, Jean Grey and The Phoenix Force are one now. She's not an avatar for it anymore, they are one being, and that is why Jean was going crazy in Endsong due to the fact that they were not whole.

3) Phoenix shards existed in The Stepford Cuckoos, Rachel Summers, Korvus' sword and AoA Jean. The Phoenix Force left the Cuckoos in Nation X and Rachel and Korvus sometime in space (with Rachel herself saying, "No. Not now.... mom?". As for AoA Jean, she lost her connection to the Phoenix in Uncanny X-Force 19.1 when she was depowered.

Now, if the writers know anything about canon, and we all hope they do, these events should be building to the last remaining Phoenix shard heading to Earth to inhabit Hope and will end with White Crown Phoenix Jean coming to Earth and revealing that Hope is infact the last Phoenix shard planted by the Scarlet Witch (similarly to how the Phoenix revives itself (see Here Comes Tomorrow)). Hope will be absorbed by Jean somehow, and then Jean Grey will start up the mutant X-Gene again, reverting status quo back. As for the all powerful White Crown Phoenix Jean Grey after that? Who knows. She'll probably get retconned.

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@The Sadhu: I think that, along with Sentry, will sadly be forgotten.

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Perhaps if they did something new like bestow it unto Ironfist instead of Hope, Rachel, Emma or a revived Jean Grey. Hope can emulate Scarlet Witches powers surely so she can let loose enough havoc as it is.

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@ReVamp said:

Possibly. I wonder if Marvel's going to pull a Jean Grey on us.

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@TheCheeseStabber said:

It could go into Scarlet Witch...

I thought this too... but I think the phoenix and the witch have an alpha-omega relationship.

The phoenix is the origin of the mutants (mentioned in AOA, also Hope is the messiah and new mutant who has strong bonds to the phoenix) and wanda is the end of the mutants, who uses the Life Force or Chaos magic or WHATEVER her power is this week.

I dont mind the phoenix coming back over and over... its an immortal cosmic force hopelessly intertwined with the x-men, it makes sense that it will pop up often. What I HATE is when they are "oohhhh phoenixxxx... nahhh just kidding." like with "Mutant Zero" who had a phoenix fire signature and red hair and her worst fear was herself... and it was Bloody Mary of course! and then when Rogue sees someone in the FIRE, someone they know, a female... and she is in-between cosmic places.... and its of course, ARIEL! DUH! (that last one was super retarded... i hated it... and I like ariel! But they ruined that moment)

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@wowylied said:

killed cable,

Right. Because Cable had absolutely no free will of his own. And Hope actively FORCED him onto that mission. Cable knew exactly what he was doing. Don't downplay his sacrifice (disregarding the fact that his revival has already pretty much done exactly that) by making it seem like he didn't do this willingly.

never use her power

Read some comics with Hope in them. I don't mean this disrespectfully, but if you're going to talk in blanket terms like this, make sure they're correct. She's been using her powers quite a bit in Uncanny X-Men.

and now the scarlet witch is back too).

Right. Because the Scarlet Witch is so trusted in the Marvel Universe overall.

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We will the real use of Hope, she only exist for the return of the pheonix and jean grey because right now she was one of the most useless character in the marvel universe (killed cable, never use her power and now the scarlet witch is back too).

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@supermanprime6 said:

I really hope that Hope (no pun intended) isn't the next avatar for the Phoenix Force. I don't know about you guys, but I hate the Phoenix Force. It was merely created to retcon Jean's descent into evil so Marvel could save one of their major characters from public scrutiny. It's basically a deus ex machina. I also feel that it takes away from the integrity of the character. Hope is an omega level mutant with EVERY SINGLE MUTANT POWER! You don't need to throw in the Phoenix force to make things interesting.

Completely agreed.

@Teerack said:

Iron Fist is gonna be the new Phoenix, and it's gonna be awesome. Hope sorta sucks as a character anyway. The only interesting think about her is she's recently started flirting with Namor.

How is that going to be awesome? The PF has a tendency of completely destroying characters. On top of that, it's beyond illogical for him to have it. In addition, it's a cover, which are known to be notoriously misleading.

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No,i am not the one.

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If the force returns and manifests in Hope Summers, could this trigger the force trapped within the Cuckoos?

The Cickoos don't have the Phoenix force anymore, it left them shortly before Hope returned
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Iron Fist is gonna be the new Phoenix, and it's gonna be awesome. Hope sorta sucks as a character anyway. The only interesting think about her is she's recently started flirting with Namor.

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I really hope that Hope (no pun intended) isn't the next avatar for the Phoenix Force. I don't know about you guys, but I hate the Phoenix Force. It was merely created to retcon Jean's descent into evil so Marvel could save one of their major characters from public scrutiny. It's basically a deus ex machina. I also feel that it takes away from the integrity of the character. Hope is an omega level mutant with EVERY SINGLE MUTANT POWER! You don't need to throw in the Phoenix force to make things interesting.

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@RedheadedAtrocitus: Oh my god O_O Mark the day on your calendar!

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@The Dark Huntress: Never said I wanted this theory to be true. Personally I'd like Hope to just be her own character and neither Jeannie nor Maddy for that matter. Alas, I sadly would not put it past Marvel to put this contrived idea out there to supplement the AvX event. I'm with you on the theory though, I don't like it too much either. Which means..we agree on something for a change! ::gasp::

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@Weapon-Alpha said:

Hasn't Hope shown slight Phoenix powers before like at the end of Second Coming and at the campfire after that when Emma sees the Phoenix in her eyes? so maybe she will be the True Host of the Force. And Wait so the Cuckoos have pieces of the Force in them? Doesn't Rachel have some too?

Hope's shown signs/allusions to the Phoenix since she was an infant. The most common visual aspect of this is the firebird symbol reflecting in her eyes.

@RedheadedAtrocitus said:

I'm still thinking Hope is Jean reincarnated and that the Phoenix will come back to her, but with Hope's utter douchiness of character, there's definitely nothing stopping it from manifesting into Dark Phoenix.

Ugh, I utterly hate this theory. I think it's so contrived and boring. I posited my own theory a while ago (one I also hope is untrue).