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Are The Secret Six The Heroes We Need?

In a world that isn't so black and white, are the Secret Six the types of heroes we deserve?

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Being fans of the superhero genre means we all love the notion of the morally perfect, incorruptible hero taking down the stereotypical black and white villain. It’s a concept that has been the linchpin of the genre ever since Superman jumped over his first building. We all know that the heroes of our favorite books don’t kill. And if they did, what line separates them from the bad guys they put away?

But in today’s world, one that is much darker and filled with less optimism, are the superheroes we love good enough? Are they actually succeeding at their mission? Because as far as I can tell, the world continues its downward spiral towards the bottom of the drain.

You can even make the argument that this self-righteous ethics code that our favorite superheroes hold so high is nothing more than a selfish act to narcisistically preserve their own image. For example, how many times has Batman seen the Joker escape from Arkham Asylum -- killing hundreds of thousands of people in the process -- and not decided to pull the trigger and end the cycle once and for all? He kills one and saves thousands. Yet, he won’t do it because of some ridiculous belief that it will make him no better than the Joker.
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It all comes down to our heroes wanting to hold their own image above that of normal people -- even if it’s done subconsciously. This philosophy of pure beacons to light our way through the darkness is also incredibly naive and realistically does not fit into the portrait of the world that we see when we look out our own windows.

So if our heroes are already selfish in their obsessive need to be above the commoners, why not make it about business too? Maybe what we need is a group of “heroes” that removes that false self of righteousness from the equation and actually works on making the world a better place by permanently removing those who drag it through the mud, all the while earning some extra cash in the process.

Enter: The Secret Six.  
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I know that was a long-winded setup to discuss the Secret Six, but just go with me here. That background is essential to understanding the importance of the latest iteration of the six -- a team made up of Catman, Deadshot, Scandal Savage, Ragdoll, Bane and Jeannette. This group of misfits are mercenaries, guns for hire, plain and simple. They will kill anyone as long as there is a profit to be made. However, the game is never as black and white as it is through the eyes of your typical superhero. The Secret Six frequently come face-to-face with some of the worst scum in the universe and, more often than not, choose to forfeit the take to instead focus their energy on putting an end to some meanest bastards in existence. Whether they’ll admit it or not, the Secret Six do have morals, it’s just a matter of actually listening to that little birdie on their shoulder and putting it to use.

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So to bring this back around, are the Secret Six the types of heroes we need in our ruthless world? Are these the people we should be cheering for and honoring with museums because they actually get criminals off the streets for good? Unfortunately, the answer is not that easy.

While it’s arguable that the Secret Six’s occasional selfless deeds do more good in the long run than the accomplishments of heroes such as Batman, it’s still a matter of them contributing to the problem. For every villain they put in a six-foot ditch, the mere fact that these six murders remain alive and outside prison is a contradiction to the perfect utopia supposed “heroes” strive to achieve. You could say every step forward is a step backward, so to speak.

But therein lies the beauty of the Six: they are not bound by the stereotypical actions of the standard superhero. It’s not always about doing what’s right , it’s about doing what’s beneficial to one’s self, and if that happens to positively effect the grand scheme of the world, great. They might not be the quintessential heroes we need to lift us out of the muck we constantly surround ourselves with, but they do get the job done when necessary. To put it bluntly, the Secret Six rest in that tricky gray area where morally-centered hero meets dastardly villain, and that’s why we love them so much.

Erik Norris writes about nerd things on a daily basis and you can follow his interweb exploits on Twitter at @Regular_Erik

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@Lvenger:
While I don't partularly believe in the "no killing under any circumstances" claim you made I do agree with you in the respect that when the heroes start killing their enemies onb a regular basis they essentially become pro bono mercenaries.  In fact several police officers (Maggie Sawyer, James Gordon) who deal with superheroes have stated that the only reason they don't run them down towen is because they do not resort to lethal force. and in retrospect the Lethal Superhero has been explored it was called KINGDOM COME and in the end the world governments Nuked them all!!
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I like the the Secret Six and dig their anti-heroic style of doing things.
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@DarkCanuck said:
"Nope, we need the Thunderbolts. Everything that is useful about the Secret Six with the bonus of having some authoritative control and oversight over their actions. Plus, the modern Thunderbolts are a far more interesting crew of characters, in my opinion. "

The DC equivalent is the Suicide Squad (idk which came first, Thunderbolts or Suicide Squad)
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@Big said:
"Heroes like Batman and Superman are the standard by which all other heroes measure themselves. They are pure by nature. It is who they are. Batman, no matter how ruthless he is to enemies, is out to stop the act of crime, not the criminals. He serves as a warning to anyone willing to cross the line of law into criminality that they will meet brutal and severe punishment for their actions. They can reflect on their deeds while in prison. Also, his resistance to killling  the Joker may be irrational, but so is the fact that Bruce Wayne needs to dress up as Batman to combat crime. It's that irrationality that makes Batman a complex character. It also separates him from the criminals he locks up. He serves justice. The law of the land determines if capitol punishment  is justifiable, not Batman.  If Bruce were narcissistic, then he would fight crime pubilicly as Bruce Wayne, not hide in the shadows as Batman. "

F YEAH MOFO!!!! 
 
 
BTW, the Secret Six are not heroes. Anyone who has read the book can tell they are villains, they just make them go up against worse villains so we don't hate them (like Ocean's Eleven).
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@The Stegman:  Ah my sincere apologies. I must have misinterpreted what you said. Sorry again. It's nice to find someone who still believes that the classic morals of heroes like Superman can still be applied today.
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Heroes like Batman and Superman are the standard by which all other heroes measure themselves. They are pure by nature. It is who they are. Batman, no matter how ruthless he is to enemies, is out to stop the act of crime, not the criminals. He serves as a warning to anyone willing to cross the line of law into criminality that they will meet brutal and severe punishment for their actions. They can reflect on their deeds while in prison. Also, his resistance to killling  the Joker may be irrational, but so is the fact that Bruce Wayne needs to dress up as Batman to combat crime. It's that irrationality that makes Batman a complex character. It also separates him from the criminals he locks up. He serves justice. The law of the land determines if capitol punishment  is justifiable, not Batman.  
If Bruce were narcissistic, then he would fight crime pubilicly as Bruce Wayne, not hide in the shadows as Batman.
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Guy drops a building on 57 people and crushes them.  He has superpowers and the police have no way to stop him, to capture him, or to hold him securely if they did.  What do you do to prevent him from murdering again?

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@Lvenger: oh no you got me wrong, i'm AGREEING with you, i meant taking the high road and NOT killing the villains, i mean anyone can take a life, but it takes a true hero to find an alternate solution
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@The Stegman:  If by taking the high road you mean  ending another person's life I think not. Sure there are plenty of arguments for self defense, protecting loved ones and stuff like that but how can you justify punishing another person for murder by killing them for it? There are plenty of psychos out there that may be beyond help but still need to be punished in a way that shows the altruistic empathy and compassion that humanity is capable of. These anti heroes we have Wolverine, Punisher, Ghost Rider among others I do like them I think they're pretty awesome tbh but when it comes to a true show of heroism, imo the traditional hereoes have it because they're prepared to find another way to stop criminals that doesn't mean they have to become like them.
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Heros?  No.  Not heros.  But hella fun to read. 
 
That said, the difference some people have in determining the difference between whether someone should, could, or need to be killed is funny.  But more than anything, I think comes under the pervue of Eminent Threat.  Joker relaxing in his lair and being tracked to it does not, in my mind, constitute an immediate threat to life and limb, unless of course he's relaxing with his finger on the remote that will release a toxic cloud of gas that will kill tens of thousands of people. 
 
Joker standing in the middle of Gotham Square, his fingers wrapped around the throat of an innocent victim and a .44 at their head, yeah, take him out.  He is an immediate threat to innocent civilians.  And the reason I say it would be okay for Batman to (though he never would) kill him is simple, it is the duty of everyone to step in and help save others if possible.  If I saw one of you with a gun pointed at them and I could chuck a brick that would crack the offenders skull wide open, but save you, I would.  The difference in "Its never okay to kill" is simple, the average person will never kill anyone deliberately in their lives.  Someone with a gun pointed at someone, that has proven that they don't hold lives precious under the common societal law, has shown a disregard for the lives of others.  They will kill for their own personal gain or pleasure. 
 
That isn't "lowering themselves" to the criminals standards.  Its saving innocent lives that have committed no crime so that others feel okay about themselves.  It's sorta like the old "violence is never the solution."  Well of course it can be a solution.  It's simply not the preferred solution.  And when other avenues have failed, when a criminal element has shown itself willing to kill innocents, then they have shown the ultimate disregard for human life, and thus, theirs is forfeit in the bargain. 
 
Society must protect itself from violent predators, especially those that would prey on our most innocent, our children.  Argueing government corruption, etc... is another matter.  But yeah, someone kills my kid, or your kid, or someone else's kid, then I think public hanging as a detterent works really well. 
 
And the police is not always the answer.  Just ask those that live in areas even here in the US where the police will not go into at certain times what life is like.  Coffeeville, anyone?

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Interesting discussion I bypassed in haste, I think the title presents an interesting interesting juxtaposition. Remember we as individuals choose our heroes. People who do bad things can be heroes, bad guys can be heroes, its relative, so are the actions of the hero or non hero. So are their individual actions, and what's a good way to judge whether a person is a hero or not, but by their actions? Is it the sum, the most recent, the most consistent or some melted mix of prior?  
 
The interesting this is the addition of we. As in you and me and everyone. Adds a total spin on anything. In simpler eras the guy who stops a bank robber was the hero, but then again, so was the guy who righteously punished his wife when she did something villainous like have an opposing opinion. So you know, me and you (or you and I), and everyone else, we probably won't agree fully when it comes to who are heroes, what is heroism, can heroes have flaws, the differences between doing the right thing, and intending to do the right thing and other plump sociopolitical aspects involved here as well as. There could certainly be a need potentially for heroes like Secret Six, If so, it should be in the same way as we need heroes of many other types and varieties as well, and characters that don't class as heroes either (including potentially Secret Six) 

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@soundbite said:
" @DarkCanuck said:
" @soundbite:  sure, that all works in a perfectly black and white, absolute setting when anybody who does good is a revered hero and anybody who does bad is an evil villain.   "
This is how the world and tales of heroics should be.  Anyone who doesn't get this doesn't understand the role of the villain.  It's a sad commentary on society that we can't be entertained unless someone is being killed.  It's also a sad commentary on creativy.  A scumbag that kills another scumbag is not a hero.   If you want to operate in the darkness and use scumbags then don't refer to them as heroes.  They don't qualify.    "

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@soundbite: I'm not saying it would be more entertaining for batman to kill the joker but at this point its really the only logical way batman could actually stop the joker once and for all
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@Daywing: I do agree it gets redundant over time, I also feel like its debatable that villains could act as a hydra were you take one villain down but more might spawn off of  that villain's death or another faction could become stronger. Not to mention everyone eventually comes back so doesn't it really matter in that sense 
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we have both titans and the six i wish they would combine and weed out the lesser villains
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@Lvenger: dude..i agree 100% you hear people talking about how corny and lame the true heroes are, yet you forget what heroics are all about, helping people, anyone could go out and kill, saying that the ends justify the means, butt it takes a true hero to do the right thing and take the high road, i believe that true heroism is becoming a thing of the past with all the anti heroes like wolverine, punisher and dare devil killing killers because they killed 
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@SigersonLTD:

LAW says, that you cantexecute someone, if he is insane.
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Catman is awsome...he should be an anti hero
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I adore the members of the Secret Six, in all their insane, messed-up glory, but they are not heroes.  They don't even really qualify as anti-heroes.  They're anti-villains, perhaps?  Regardless, Gail Simone writes them extremely well with wonderful characterization.  They can be very sympathetic characters, written just about as "real" as you're going to get in superhero comics.   
 
The no-kill rule that most heroes follow can be tedious at times, but they would be on extremely murky legal ground if heroes just started executing the villains (besides, they wouldn't be allowed to kill the really big-name, popular villains like the Joker anyway).   And when a hero does kill, it's usually handled very poorly (see the ridiculous reactions of some of her fellow heroes when Wonder Woman killed Max or when Green Arrow was put on trial for a murder he committed in another dimension).  The willingness to kill if necessary shouldn't preclude a character from being considered a hero, but it just doesn't work for all characters.  People always say that Batman should kill the Joker, but of all the heroes that might cross the no-kill line, I think Bruce Wayne would be just about the least likely to do so.  It would go completely against his character.

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Secret Six as heroes? That's just silly and lulzy.

 

The six are at best amoral guns for hire with a past that involves most types of crime:extortion,robbery, assault, blackmail, murder. They only look good in comparision to the other villains because they fight and kill guys who look scummier then they do. They make for a great read and refreshing breath due to their amoral and pragmatic nature. But lets not fool ourselves, they're in it for the money like any other mercenary. They'll kill just about anyone as long as the price as good. It's one for a character to hold some moral cause whether its revenge or believing themselves a necessary evil, that makes me abit more sympathetic to the character.

 

The Six are not. They're interesting characters and I love them, but they're not even close to the idea of the anti-hero who kills villains. Another thing that drives me up the wall is the idea of adhering to killing villains at every action or saving them even when it's illogical.

 

It's the "Batman-Punisher Spectrum" debate that still rages even to today.

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Some of you guys aren't seeing the big picture here. If superheroes kill off all  their bad guys, then they won't have any bad guys to fight. There won't be a comic anymore. If Batman killed the Joker he'd just sit around in his cave and play Angry Birds. 
 
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I like very much The Secret Six but i don't they are the heroes we need.

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@DarkCanuck said:
" @soundbite:  sure, that all works in a perfectly black and white, absolute setting when anybody who does good is a revered hero and anybody who does bad is an evil villain.   "

This is how the world and tales of heroics should be.  Anyone who doesn't get this doesn't understand the role of the villain.  It's a sad commentary on society that we can't be entertained unless someone is being killed.  It's also a sad commentary on creativy.  A scumbag that kills another scumbag is not a hero.   If you want to operate in the darkness and use scumbags then don't refer to them as heroes.  They don't qualify. 
 
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I've never seen the Secret Six as heroes. Occasionally they can be anti-heroes (like when Batman was off doing his death thing or the Amazon breakout) but the Six are essentially mercs for hire. Yeah they turn on their clients if they're total douchebags (which nearly always seems to be the case) but they can't be categorised as heroes since everything they do is nearly always in their own interests. I think that's what makes them so effective as a title since killing is so normal for them which is so different to what you get in the usual DC Heroics. Frankly I'm surprised DC let's Gail Simone get away with half the things she puts the Six up to but I'm glad. It's easily the most unique, violent and sexy masterpiece within the mainstream DCU. 

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@ForbushBug:  Excellent point, it's only fair to mention that The Thunderbolts were originally a group of villains masquerading as heroes for purely nefarious purposes. Besides, being a government controlled operation these days means that bureaucratic corruption is bound to come into play eventually.
As for the moral barometer of the Secret Six, I'll have to take your word for it. I've only read the first trade and couldn't really get into the characters...for some reason I have that problem with pretty much all DC books that don't include Lobo.
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@soundbite:  sure, that all works in a perfectly black and white, absolute setting when anybody who does good is a revered hero and anybody who does bad is an evil villain. Comic book universes have stopped operating under such boring rules and existences though, which is to the good (for readers anyways).
The people and groups under discussion here though are those that do things, one way or another, that has a net positive influence but is done from the shadows so that the way they do things doesn't have the effects you point out. Yeah, the Secret Six save people and kill scumbags in questionable and terrible ways, but nobody puts them on a pedestal to say "Look here, this is how one should act!" No, Superman stays on the pedestal as the token and the Secret Six get busy doing what he can't. I'm speaking in broad generalities...I don't mean to say that there are any agreements set up or anything like that. More specific examples are like the public Avengers and the shadowy Secret Avengers.
 
Now that I think about it, I'll need to reconsider my stance on heroes like Supes and Spider-Man, since they are so often placed upon the pedestal I guess they can't really have their images sullied by murder. But Batman operates from the shadows...he can still axe the Joker! :P
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Everybody loves an anti-hero. Secret Six is a great title. I recommend everything Gail Simone has done with them. Villians United, Birds Of Prey #104-#108, Secret Six miniseries, and the current ongoing.
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"It’s not always about doing what’s right , it’s about doing what’s beneficial to one’s self, and if that happens to positively effect the grand scheme of the world, great. " 

  
this world view will always end in a negative effect.  selfishness never leads to bettering the world.  this attitude is also the reason for the thought:  

"But in today’s world, one that is much darker and filled with less optimism  ".  

 And when you're "heroes" are murderers, what kind example is that showing for the common man who's trying to put food on the table, or take care of their children?  What keeps that person from crossing the line and murdering his neighbor for food or cash?  You want to talk about " the world continuing its downward spiral towards the bottom of the drain" then you can look no further than putting on a pedastal, people with no morals and no code of conduct to live by.  The cure for darkness is more light, not more darkness.  I just don't understand the reasoning behind that.

   
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You know, I wonder, if this is such a horrible world, if it's as terrible as it seems, and both criminals and "scum" need to be exterminated as "X" people say (I say X as in many)...
 
...then why don't "X" people get out and kill them themselves ?

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Secret Six is the Comic we need and deserve although a less interesting question than the one posed, by fact that the answer is much more obvious (hell yea) is one I feel better suited to answering (again, hell yea) 
 
But yeah, cool thread, I love that scene where Bane tells the people that it was Batman that saved there daughter (after Bane had just saved her) thats the sort of heroism I like myself, true humility.

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Those guys suck ass !!!

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If there was a "like" button on ComicVine I would definitely push it now. Same dilemma I've been thinking about for a long time since I enjoy the "darker" heroes more. Great article.

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@JonesDeini said:
" @daak1212 said:
" Secret Six is my favortie team of heros and in general.  Avengers and Justice league are to unrelatable with there self righteous pretentious self "sacrificing" ways.  Sinister Six are atleast a bit more realistic in there methods such as killing people who they think deserve to die.  Some heros on the other hand do take the middle road and torture there villians such as Daredevil to Bulleye.  This didnt really work out but it did make Bulleye have a phobia of being paralyzed, and then killed him later in Shadowland "
In real life the Punisher's/Secret Sixes are the unsung heroes of society...black ops units like them exists in many nations and they take out threats before they can act all the time. They do the messy, ugly jobs that nobody can feel patriotic or proud of. I think that's why the capes of their respective universes rarely (if ever) interfere/inhibit their work. Can't convince me that Captain America/Iron Man couldn't shut down the punisher if they wanted. But they never will because they know deep down inside he's right in his own way. Cap especially knows this...   "
Perfectly said!
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@Telcalipoca said:
" the secret six arent heroes or anit heroes they get paid to kill.its usually one scumbag paying to kill another scumbag and in the proccess the team members try to kill eachother(every arc leads to this in some way).They are the worst human beings  with no ethics to some ethics.they might do something that will benefit the common good but such a result would be a by product of what they do(killing) never what they set out to do.If they arent  purposely  doing things to make things right then they arent heroes or anti heroes.  "
This is correct they are working for a paycheck at least anti-heores kill to make the world a better place.
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the secret six arent heroes or anit heroes they get paid to kill.its usually one scumbag paying to kill another scumbag and in the proccess the team members try to kill eachother(every arc leads to this in some way).They are the worst human beings  with no ethics to some ethics.they might do something that will benefit the common good but such a result would be a by product of what they do(killing) never what they set out to do.If they arent  purposely  doing things to make things right then they arent heroes or anti heroes. 

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@daak1212 said:
" Secret Six is my favortie team of heros and in general.  Avengers and Justice league are to unrelatable with there self righteous pretentious self "sacrificing" ways.  Sinister Six are atleast a bit more realistic in there methods such as killing people who they think deserve to die.  Some heros on the other hand do take the middle road and torture there villians such as Daredevil to Bulleye.  This didnt really work out but it did make Bulleye have a phobia of being paralyzed, and then killed him later in Shadowland "
In real life the Punisher's/Secret Sixes are the unsung heroes of society...black ops units like them exists in many nations and they take out threats before they can act all the time. They do the messy, ugly jobs that nobody can feel patriotic or proud of. I think that's why the capes of their respective universes rarely (if ever) interfere/inhibit their work. Can't convince me that Captain America/Iron Man couldn't shut down the punisher if they wanted. But they never will because they know deep down inside he's right in his own way. Cap especially knows this...  
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Are they heroes? Most certainly debatable. They're heroes the way that Deadpool would be classified as a hero: when it suits him and his ulterior motives to be one.  
 
Is Secret Six one of the best comics out there right now, IMO? Heck yes. 

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The Six aren't heroes, they're mercs for hire.  
 
As far as heroes who kill go. I'm neither strongly for it or against it. I see the necessity of both a Superman and a Punisher. Comics first and foremost are escapism, so a world where the good guys flatly refuse to kill while the bad guys will is understandable. But I also identify with the desire to upset that status quo and inject a bit of realism to it all. Super hero's aren't cops, so I don't hold them to the same standards. In fact, by the written law they're all criminals to some extent (unless government sanctioned). If a cop just executed a man on the street I'd be outraged. That's because I hold him to a higher standard due to his social position and what it represents. Superheros are vigilantes, they do what the law won't allow. They can deliver justice in ways public servants can't, so if they kill it doesn't strike me the same way. If I had to pick a side then I'd say go with the most utilitarian/pragmatic method, which would be killing. In fact if I was a hero I'd go the Moonknight route and when necessary exterminate criminals with extreme prejudice. 

What I find interesting is that killing is generally tolerated based on certain situations. Example, a being with super human abilities is almost always frowned upon for killing, especially normal humans. On the other hand, somebody who lacks those abilities gets more slack. It would freak people out if Superman punched Lex Luthor's head off but people had a much tamer reaction to Cat Woman shooting Black Mask (maybe that's because of her morally ambiguous nature as well).  Also, killing non-human is easily accepted and oft encouraged by readers. Such as during the skrull invasion or killing vampires, or destroying artificial intelligences, or Darkseids daemons. These moments allow fans to see their favorite heroes cut loose and show what they can do. Human life is precious to fans and heroes...other sentient lifeforms? Well not so much 
   
On a purely comics level I see why killing a villain's bad for business, I mean when their dead (for how ever amount of brief time that may be) you can't use them for stories, develop their character, etc. And that's just not good. Imagine what use a villain like Prometheus could been doing these days. Also characters shouldn't kill if it's out of their character to do so. I'd hate to see Booster Gold go all Frank Castle on Max Lord. 

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@DarkCanuck said:
" Nope, we need the Thunderbolts. Everything that is useful about the Secret Six with the bonus of having some authoritative control and oversight over their actions."
Yeah, but we saw what happened when that authority is given to the wrong person like Osborn. Cage is in charge now but the political winds seem to shift pretty quick in the Marvel Universe. On the other hand, the Secret Six have an excellent ethical barometer. Basically they' have no delusions about their own amorality so if they think someone is bad then they know they're really bad.
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i like the secret six they have wrote catman good he not a joke no more.
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F yeah, Secret Six. One of the best comics DC has out on the market.

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As much as I love the team and the book, they are most certainly not the heroes we need.

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@NerdAlert:
oh ok. i never picked either title so we were just wondering
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Secret Six is my favortie team of heros and in general.  Avengers and Justice league are to unrelatable with there self righteous pretentious self "sacrificing" ways.  Sinister Six are atleast a bit more realistic in there methods such as killing people who they think deserve to die.  Some heros on the other hand do take the middle road and torture there villians such as Daredevil to Bulleye.  This didnt really work out but it did make Bulleye have a phobia of being paralyzed, and then killed him later in Shadowland

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@umbrafeline:  No Thuderbolts are Marvel's version of the Suicide Squad. The squad  goes back to 1987 where the Thunderbolts go back to 1997. Secret Six has former members of the squad but they are more of an A Team than the Thunderbolts.  
 
IMO: Suicide Squad was/is way better than the Thunderbolts. 
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so i take it that the sinister 6 is the dc version of the thunderbolts and heros for hire?
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Don't need this....

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Secret Six>Thunderbolts ;)

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@erik_norris: I love you for this article. Secret Six are freaking amazing.
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The Secrete Six are great and I love reading the series. There latest arc was there weakest but Gail Simone is a great writer. I would hate if the series stopped. The Secrete Six are not "heroes"they are mercs for hire, most are bad guys to begin with anyway that just moved up to neutral 

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