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An Analysis of the New TMNT Designs

The upcoming movie has given the heroes in a half shell a whole new look and we're sharing our thoughts on the new designs.

First and foremost, let's start with a disclaimer: I'm going to see the movie and hope for the best. Based on the trailer and TV spot, it doesn't look amazing, but hopefully it'll at least be a good dose of popcorn entertainment. That's not asking too much, right? Okay, now that it's clear the objective here isn't to blatantly hate on the movie, I will admit I'm not the biggest fan around of the new designs.

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There's three key attributes that now define each Turtle: the color of the mask, their signature weapon(s), and their personality. Originally, it was just the weapon and personality since the comics were black and white, but let's be honest: the color masks really help them stand apart and say a little more about who they are. It's a tried and true design that has now lasted decades. Each new version tends to bring little changes while respecting the original design, too.

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A great example is what the current Nickelodeon show has done for each character. The three main attributes obviously remain, but they've added subtle changes to compliment who they are. Raphael's the most muscular of the batch and his shell has a crack -- he's the brawler and the most aggressive, so it's fitting. Michelangelo is the shortest, has a few freckles/spots, and is lean. He's the "little brother" (in terms of personality, at least), so once again, it's fitting. Donatello's the tallest and the leanest, a stereotypical physical trait that's sometimes applied to "nerds," so once again, it makes sense. And Leonardo's the most balanced. Not too tall, not too short, not too muscular, not too lean. Again, appropriate for the character. These changes to their designs do enough to make them unique and stand apart as their own "version" of the Turtles. None of these changes are a drastic departure from the source, either.

This upcoming movie, though? Its several additions to the Turtles just come off as unnecessary to me. Look, I can get past the team being bigger than they usually are. I get it, they're mutants and mutants often grow. Whatever, I'm cool with it as long as they can remain nimble and stealthy. But why does Raphael have sunglasses? "It's because he's cool and a badass!" Okay, but why does a guy who lives in the sewers and likely fights crime at night wear sunglasses? From the little we've seen, he doesn't even have them over his eyes when he's out during the day. Aren't those annoying to have on your forehead when you're flipping around and such? It's a little silly to me, but I'd be a total liar if I said he doesn't look like he'll be quite a powerhouse in the movie.

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Mikey has a necklace, a hoodie tied around his waist and sneakers to make him seem "cooler," but why not focus on showing this through his personality instead of sprinkling him with so much extra gear? If they're ninja turtles, don't they want to wear less stuff so they make less noise and fewer things can potentially hinder their movement? I get Leo's armor is a nod to tradition, but wearing bamboo armor seems a little silly when you already have a shell for armor, yes? Then there's Donatello in his Ghostbusters cosplay. He's wearing something that looks like a Proton Pack. Why? No idea. Maybe it has all of the tools he needs? But again, if they're ninjas (it's in the title for a reason, people), lugging around a huge backpack seems a little counter-productive, right? Then he also allegedly wears stereotypical "geek glasses." So he has bad vision now, too? He's sure to be an awesome ninja!

As for the lips and nose, it's obviously a drastic shift from the norm and is absolutely noticeable with the little we've seen from Mikey and Leo. Truthfully, it looks a little creepy and, as the internet has pointed out several times now, absolutely draws parallels to someone like Shrek. That said, this huge change could serve a bigger purpose. Perhaps they're humans that were mutated? Every new take on the TMNT brings changes to their origin story and it's clear this movie's going to make quite a few. We won't know until the movie comes out, obviously, but that would seemingly be the most logical reason for this huge design change.

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I don't mind if new versions of the franchise want to stray a bit from the traditional designs Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird established. In fact, it's awesome to see so many different incarnations make slight additions to the classic look (I can't praise the IDW comic and the Nick show enough). However, it seems like the upcoming movie looked at the characters and said something like, "Yes, they have the colors, the personalities and the weapons... but let's add at least 2-4 more unique bits of attire to each one!" It feels like they went overboard with accessories and currently, it doesn't quite feel like the four brothers we've come to know and love. Maybe these alterations will be really cool as we see them unfold in context, but for right now, I can't say I'm the most enthusiastic person around about the new look.

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Bad, the design looks. Acting, the turtles look okay.

Classic design, they should stick to...

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I'm not sure about their facial expressions looking so human now (even though I kind of knew this was going to happen anyway), but what I'm more concerned about is if they could get their personalities right (Mikey is playful and the comic relief and Raphael is the tough and hot headed member of the team). It would be interesting to see how this movie plays out though. Great article k4tzm4n!

Thank you very much!

I actually like the design of the Turltes in this movie. It's what I've been hearing of the story and their originals along with Shredder thay has me VERY worried :-/

Rumor is the REAL Shredder is located in Japan. I guess think of this as the U.S. branch?

I'm one of like 10 people on the internet who actually likes the Transformers movies. But this movie just looks completely awful. I'm not saying that as a Turtles fan, either. It just looks really, really bad.

Nah, I loved the first one at the time, enjoy the third (could use some major trimming), and despite some terrible editing and humor, at least the finale of the 2nd was enjoyable.

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I don't care about the aesthetics,that,s fine, but they still put lips on them... WHY DO THEY HAVE LIPS?!

This is really my biggest issue. Reptiles...don't have lips.

As for the other aspects, I consider it like the clothing one wears. You dress fitting to your own personality, style, and sense of self. So Raph may not NEED sunglasses, but he likes them. Mikey may feel attuned to the old late 80's-90's skater culture, so he digs hoodies. Leo is obviously the most tradition-bound of the team, so prefers the traditional look.

I get it isn't REQUIRED, but it is reflective of their personalities. Now, I'm sure someone's thinking: "well they're turtles, why do they need clothes?" Well, they don't. But why do most comic book characters do some of the things they do? Well, it's who they are. Who they are written as. Now as to why it was never done before? Who knows, maybe it never came across anyone's mind. Maybe humanoid, talking, ninja-crime fighting turtles was enough. Now that people are familiar with them, you can grow them a little more each time.

I'm not saying I LOVE the designs. I'll always prefer the more original look (although the current cartoon found a fantastic balance, as has IDW) but it doesn't bother me. It doesn't turn me off from the film.

Likewise, but... it's not exactly appealing, either!

Why is Raphael's shell hanging onto his naked back as if not attached to him? It looks like he's got a kiddie pool on his back. Is that just unfinished CGI?

You know, I didn't notice that until you pointed it out and now it's really bugging me.

@k4tzm4n: 1) I don't think they'd find those things as easily in the sewer, but you have a point. 2) I saw the fan-edits, and I just couldn't take them seriously. As much respect as I have for the classic looks, I think the actual design for the movie says "human/turtle hybrid" rather than "anthropomorphic cartoon turtle".

T'was a joke, man ;) Well, yeah, they're fan edits, but the point is if the studio -- with its ample budget and all -- applied that design to the film, I have a feeling it would look better. But, like I said in the article, I'm hoping these lips/noses are at least warranted because they're humans that were mutated. Only time shall tell.

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Here's my thoughts:

  • They live in a sewer. The fact that they're dressed up with random stuff like that shows it.
  • Of coarse they put such an emphasis on unnecessarily looking cool. (Like unused sunglasses) They're teenagers!
  • "The lips and noses look creepy". Dude, mutant turtles! Were you expecting them to look like cartoon characters? Everyone else apparently was.

I completely agree with you. I've never seen a Michael Bay movie in my life, so I don't know what to expect, but I don't understand the whole "ruining my childhood" stuff. Unless you're still a child, it's not ruining anything and if you were a child, a movie wouldn't ruin anything, you'd just go play or do something else. Run for your life- MAN BABIES! You don't have to watch it, and maybe some kids will really enjoy it.

I appreciate this article and thanks for your thoughts Gregg!

Yeah, the "my childhood" argument is silly. Literally everything from this franchise is easily accessible right now and no one is forcing people to see this movie or treat it as the new status quo. And you're welcome, thanks for reading!

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"Give in to your hate Katzman. Let it flow through you. Give in to your anger!" You know you want to :P

But seriously excellent critique of the Turtles redesigned costumes. They do look way too clunky and way too overblown on screen to work well enough.

Ha! Thank you.

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It's called Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. If you can wrap your brain around that concept but find issue with with their accessories and/or them having lips then clearly this movie isn't for you.

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As for them being somewhat bigger then they are normally depicted being a hindrance to there ability to get around stealthily....your joking right?

How is this anymore or less stealthy?

Also they are both creepy looking. The old ones only appear less so because we grew up with them. My 5 year old finds them both creepy but still wants to see the movie lol.

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@amazingwebhead: I'm sorry about that! I clicked it on accident. And people have the absolute right to be upset. They do look creepy! I was actually referring the a lot of the youtube comments on the trailer threatening Michael Bay and stuff and acting like he's trying to attack them. I really don't know what to think. I love the new comics, so I have my preferred version and the 2003 show, but I'm really hoping the movie is good.

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@flopsop200: Ah, the old "the concept alone is ridiculous, so who cares how they handle it" argument. Well, as a big fan, I do. There's a difference between making good changes and making changes that seem to add nothing good to the picture -- throwing tons of attire on them appears to be the latter.

No, I'm not joking. They appear to be significantly larger than in the '90 film -- by a few feet, at least, and bulkier, too. In fact, Raphael doesn't even look like he'd be able to make it through a smaller manhole in the city. And Donatello wearing a giant backpack? It's only common sense that would be counter-productive if someone is trying to be nimble.

As someone who grew up with the franchise -- born in '85 -- I can tell you I didn't find them creepy at all in the first two films. Unless they're mutated humans, the changes to their facial structure seems very, very odd.

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@k4tzm4n: Ah. The popped collar part tipped me off that you were joking, (since they don't actually wear shirts XD) but I wasn't sure. Well, I always had a problem with how the Turtles were rarely (if ever) drawn with noses, yet it never interfered with their sense of smell. And yes, the lips are kind of weird, but without them they'd look too cartoonish. But you're right, starting as humans would be an interesting direction to take the origins. (I always thought it would be cool if the turtles and Daredevil were created in the same accident)

@amazingwebhead: I'm sorry about that! I clicked it on accident. And people have the absolute right to be upset. They do look creepy! I was actually referring the a lot of the youtube comments on the trailer threatening Michael Bay and stuff and acting like he's trying to attack them. I really don't know what to think. I love the new comics, so I have my preferred version and the 2003 show, but I'm really hoping the movie is good.

Agreed. I'm just as worried as anyone that this will flop (not as worried as I am about the X-Men, though) but I wouldn't wish all the hate Bay is getting for this on my worst enemy, and I really do have high hopes for the film.

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@k4tzm4n: Not at all I care very much how they handle it. So far I like what I see. As a big time fan I think expressing the characters unique personalities via trinkets in there clothing style is not a hindrance at all. I will withhold judgement until I see how there actual personalities are handled.

They are bigger, they are bulkier, no argument there. Maybe they can't enter a manhole, maybe they can. Perhaps they don't enter the sewer via a manhole at all but instead via a drainage outlet. Donnie's backpack seems odd but for all any of us know it might correlate to the plot.

You have me by a few years, I'm from 88 but I grew up with them as well. My point was that growing up with them would make us inclined not to find them creepy comparatively, when in fact they both kinda are. To test this I asked my niece which one was creepy (comparing the old and the new) and she said both are. She doesn't speak for everyone and neither do we so saying either is more creepy is baseless. Also they are literally humanoid turtles. They have enough in common with our structure that I'll give the lips a pass.

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@amazingwebhead: Don't worry, I sincerely doubt it'll flop. The show is currently a marketing machine, so I imagine this will lure in A LOT of kids.

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@k4tzm4n said:

@amazingwebhead: Don't worry, I sincerely doubt it'll flop. The show is currently a marketing machine, so I imagine this will lure in A LOT of kids.

Well, if kids today have better taste than modern television programming seems to think they have, then I'm reassured. (At least it's Nickelodeon and not Disney)

Reminds me of when I saw "Revenge of the Fallen" a few years back when I was almost 13. Let me tell you, being almost 13 + movie with Megan Fox = a lot of freakin' sweating.

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Well Michael Bay is known for not giving a damn about source material. IE:silver starscream, Black Ironhide, Silver Sidswipe, most of the movie robots.

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I'm sligHtly disappointed. I was tHinking K4tz was going to be mmore positive.

OH well, MetH believes tHe movie will be DOPE

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