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A Young Ra's al-Ghul in the Dark Knight Rises?

Ra's returns? Really?

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A young Ra’s al-Ghul in THE DARK KNIGHT RISES? That’s what THR says we can expect in their report that Josh Pence of THE SOCIAL NETWORK and the upcoming BATTLESHIP has been cast for that specific part. Supposedly, there will be a some flashback portions showing events that happen 30 years prior to the plot. If that is, indeed, the case, it would fit well with the rumors of Marion Cotillard playing Talia and Gary Oldman’s cryptic comments about the plot coming “full circle” in this third flick.

Christopher Nolan and his team have won the benefit of any doubt. Most assuredly. However, if this does play out… I don’t know. I kind of preferred the League of Shadows business tied up in the second so the focus could be put on super criminals who were totally unrelated to Bats’ origin. Blood feuds make for great origin stories, sure, but there’s something a bit more exciting about your hero butting heads with dangerous total strangers. Were this to go forward, of course, I could easily see Bane being presented as agent of the League vying for Talia’s affections like he did in some latter storylines in the comics.

We’ve still yet to see a confirmation about who Joseph Gordon-Levitt’s playing, of course. Would you want him to be Holiday? I could see him as Black Mask or a Bullock-esque super cop with equal credibility.

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Posted by doordoor123

The source has never been legit. I dont believe it.

Edited by Master_Funk

so another white guy is gonna play ras al ghul. I hoped nolan would have realised that he is from the middle east and cast someone more appropriate. Even liam neeson, who was great in begins, didn't feel right to me. Same thing for talia and marian cotillard

Posted by danhimself

in my mind Liam Neeson was lying in Begins and the asian guy (can't remember his name) was actually Ra's Al Ghul

Posted by RedheadedAtrocitus

Would rather there just be a whole slate of new adversaries to begin with, period.  But that's just me.

Posted by RiddlingGambit

While I can understand the need to resolve the trilogy by going "full circle", this news (if true) doesn't excite me. This movie may end up being very well-acted but anticlimactic/boring.

Posted by Deadcool

I just watched Batman Begins, a young Ra's al-Ghul, sounds... strange...

Posted by johnny_spam

I can see Bane's background being he was brought in to the League of Shadows and something went wrong I envision Ras found Bane when he was young.

Posted by Mbecks14

Please stop with all the villains! It's getting a little crowded in this movie.

Posted by battyfan1

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.......damn you nolan.......why did you do this...............there are so many other great villians out there..............

Posted by Mr. Dead Pool

I don't think it will be the original Ra's but his son who takes the mantle of Ra's al-Ghul and sets bane loose on Gotham.

Posted by joshmightbe
@danhimself: I actually got the impression that as far as the Nolan movies go it was more of a title to be passed on which would in a purely metaphorical sense make Ra's Al Ghul immortal but thats pure speculation on my part 
Posted by Hero1921

I hope the curse of three doesn't go to the Batman films. I mean I really wanted to watch Spiderman three. But utter disappointment on that end.  I mean there are several villains in the this film as well. Too much for one film. Of course I could be wrong about Catwoman, she'll probably be a hero at the end of the film. But Talia, Bane, and the Holiday Killer (I know he might not be the holiday killer, but I forgot his real name) . So the League of Shadows, The Mob, and Bane after Batman. Too much stuff is going on. I hope it ends well. I have faith in you Nolan. Don't disappoint.

Posted by Kid_Zombie

Sounds good to me! He looks like a young Lieam Neesen for sure.
I do not think there are to many villains at all, TDK had: Joker, Two-face, Maroni, Gamble, That Guy with the dogs, the accountant and Scarecrow. turned out great.
this one has :Bane, Catwoman, Talia, and Alberto Falcone. 
Ra's will be a flashback showing the origin of talia and probably him training Bane or something, meaning he wont be a badguy for batman to fight in this, and Catwoman will prob turn to be a good guy. In Nolan I trust! I remember people bitching that there will be too many badguys in TDK, so everyone should relax and let it happen. What pisses me off is the inevitable reboot after this movie which is just stupid. Should just keep the movies going!

Posted by StarKiller809

It would be very cool to see a young Ra's al-Ghul in the third Batman film. I think it would be cool to see him back and causing problems for Batman.
Posted by .o0Johnny0o.

There's that whole thing that if you put too many characters from a comic in a movie, it hits critical mass and gets a bit crap.  I'd really hate the 'full circle' comments to be alluding to something silly like Ra's being indirectly responsible for the murder of the Waynes.

@slayer22
said:

" so another white guy is gonna play ras al ghul. I hoped nolan would have realised that he is from the middle east and cast someone more appropriate. Even liam neeson, who was great in begins, didn't feel right to me. Same thing for talia and marian cotillard "
To be fair, it would be a bit strange to have a younger version of the same character from the same universe be of a different race.
Posted by Zjd106

that dude looks eerily like a younger R'as 

Posted by MonStar_Xero

Just trying to think out of the box here, so hear me out.
With the understanding that the inclusion of Talia Al Ghul is still just a rumor, and in light of the two things we know --1) Gary Oldman's quote and 2) JGL isn't playing Alberto Falcone-- what would be the odds of Nolan bringing in JGL as an aged up version of Damian Wayne. Introduced as an antagonist to Bats (perhaps groomed by Ra's to take over after his death),that later takes up the role of a more realistic Robin (that being the hallmark of the series). And yes, I know that Damian in the comics is barely a teenager, and that the timeline I've suggested is completely insane since Batman Begins takes place right after Bruce leaves the League. But that is the beauty of movies; timeline continuity is just a minor problem to resolve. Who knows how much time will have passed by DKR? Damian has the necessary connections to the league of Shadows, and could provide an interesting foil to Bruce. The back story between Talia and Bruce could be fleshed out in flashbacks; with Damian's existence kept from Bruce after his abrupt departure. Perhaps we will see the inclusion of Ra's Lazarus Pits ( or some equivalent tech), to help age Damian to maturity after Ra's untimely death, and explain how Bane survives his initial venom treatments. This might also explain Bane as an agent of a renewed League of Shadows.
Like I said, just trying to think out of the box.

Posted by Quintus_Knightfall
@MonStar_Xero said:
" Just trying to think out of the box here, so hear me out. With the understanding that the inclusion of Talia Al Ghul is still just a rumor, and in light of the two things we know --1) Gary Oldman's quote and 2) JGL isn't playing Alberto Falcone-- what would be the odds of Nolan bringing in JGL as an aged up version of Damian Wayne. Introduced as an antagonist to Bats (perhaps groomed by Ra's to take over after his death),that later takes up the role of a more realistic Robin (that being the hallmark of the series). And yes, I know that Damian in the comics is barely a teenager, and that the timeline I've suggested is completely insane since Batman Begins takes place right after Bruce leaves the League. But that is the beauty of movies; timeline continuity is just a minor problem to resolve. Who knows how much time will have passed by DKR? Damian has the necessary connections to the league of Shadows, and could provide an interesting foil to Bruce. The back story between Talia and Bruce could be fleshed out in flashbacks; with Damian's existence kept from Bruce after his abrupt departure. Perhaps we will see the inclusion of Ra's Lazarus Pits ( or some equivalent tech), to help age Damian to maturity after Ra's untimely death, and explain how Bane survives his initial venom treatments. This might also explain Bane as an agent of a renewed League of Shadows. Like I said, just trying to think out of the box. "
This is why comic fans should be brought in as consultants ;) Seriously though, innovative idea in my opinion.
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Posted by War Killer

Personally I don't want to see Ra's again, he had his time in Batman Begins, give some of Batman's other villains some time to shine.

Posted by _Wildcard_

I don't mind seeing a young Ra's, it's the idea of marion cottiliard as talia that bugs me. Don't get me wrong, she's an amazing actress, but A) it would feel like a big inception reunion, we'd just need ellen page as batgirl to make it complete and B) there are several actresses that would be more suitable, personally i vote for stana katic.

Posted by Iron_Lad

JGL hasn't been confirmed to be Falcone yet? Who else could he be playing? Dick Grayson? LOL

Posted by Quintus_Knightfall

Maybe he's playing Lady Shiva...

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Posted by leokearon

Bring back Liam Nesson as Ra's
Edited by entropy_aegis
@Gambler said:
"Maybe he's playing Lady Shiva... "
LOL,if only sigh.I would'nt mind seeing her clean up Gotham of it's pathetic residents.
@battyfan1 said:

"NNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.......damn you nolan.......why did you do this...............there are so many other great villians out there.............. "


No there are'nt.Ra's>>>>Every batvillian put together.This is good news.Ra's is badass.
Posted by entropy_aegis
@War Killer said:
"Personally I don't want to see Ra's again, he had his time in Batman Begins, give some of Batman's other villains some time to shine. "


Like who?

Freeze?

Riddler?

Hatter?

Scarecrow?

Let those jobbers rot in hell,bring me some real villians.Bane,Ra's and Talia?i'm sold.And it's a cameo flashback presumably having something to do with Bane's training.

Posted by Mercy_
@Gambler said:
" @MonStar_Xero said:
" Just trying to think out of the box here, so hear me out. With the understanding that the inclusion of Talia Al Ghul is still just a rumor, and in light of the two things we know --1) Gary Oldman's quote and 2) JGL isn't playing Alberto Falcone-- what would be the odds of Nolan bringing in JGL as an aged up version of Damian Wayne. Introduced as an antagonist to Bats (perhaps groomed by Ra's to take over after his death),that later takes up the role of a more realistic Robin (that being the hallmark of the series). And yes, I know that Damian in the comics is barely a teenager, and that the timeline I've suggested is completely insane since Batman Begins takes place right after Bruce leaves the League. But that is the beauty of movies; timeline continuity is just a minor problem to resolve. Who knows how much time will have passed by DKR? Damian has the necessary connections to the league of Shadows, and could provide an interesting foil to Bruce. The back story between Talia and Bruce could be fleshed out in flashbacks; with Damian's existence kept from Bruce after his abrupt departure. Perhaps we will see the inclusion of Ra's Lazarus Pits ( or some equivalent tech), to help age Damian to maturity after Ra's untimely death, and explain how Bane survives his initial venom treatments. This might also explain Bane as an agent of a renewed League of Shadows. Like I said, just trying to think out of the box. "
This is why comic fans should be brought in as consultants ;) Seriously though, innovative idea in my opinion. "
Co-signed.
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Posted by entropy_aegis
@The Dark Huntress said:
" @Gambler said:
" @MonStar_Xero said:
" Just trying to think out of the box here, so hear me out. With the understanding that the inclusion of Talia Al Ghul is still just a rumor, and in light of the two things we know --1) Gary Oldman's quote and 2) JGL isn't playing Alberto Falcone-- what would be the odds of Nolan bringing in JGL as an aged up version of Damian Wayne. Introduced as an antagonist to Bats (perhaps groomed by Ra's to take over after his death),that later takes up the role of a more realistic Robin (that being the hallmark of the series). And yes, I know that Damian in the comics is barely a teenager, and that the timeline I've suggested is completely insane since Batman Begins takes place right after Bruce leaves the League. But that is the beauty of movies; timeline continuity is just a minor problem to resolve. Who knows how much time will have passed by DKR? Damian has the necessary connections to the league of Shadows, and could provide an interesting foil to Bruce. The back story between Talia and Bruce could be fleshed out in flashbacks; with Damian's existence kept from Bruce after his abrupt departure. Perhaps we will see the inclusion of Ra's Lazarus Pits ( or some equivalent tech), to help age Damian to maturity after Ra's untimely death, and explain how Bane survives his initial venom treatments. This might also explain Bane as an agent of a renewed League of Shadows. Like I said, just trying to think out of the box. "
This is why comic fans should be brought in as consultants ;) Seriously though, innovative idea in my opinion. "
Co-signed. "

Um no,that's the worst idea ever.No offense to the guy.
Posted by sweatboy
@danhimself: Ken Watanabe i presume, and hahahahaha! 

I think Rha's is like batman's most powerful enemy/arch nemesis. they are now RELATED through Damien. Denis O'Neil was like the BEST Batman writer. And Batman says it all the time, that he is. The Joker is theatrical and entertaining, but seriously? Obviously Nolan has no taste for the dramatic and has summed up characters from Keaton's "Batman" and Val Kilmer's "Batman Forever", both of which were....almost shakespearean stage dramas, (i love Keaton, best batman ever, and i like Chris O'Donnel) in a very different way from what they had in those oldies. What he wants is Batman's serious side. Rha's is great for that. Well some catwoman would be neat too. Considering what was done with Joker, i wonder what he'd do with the cat. 

You know who'd make a better Talia? the chick that will voice Cheetara, was in Entourage as E's on and off girlfriend. Bane and Talia would make sense appearing together. Catwoman really has no connection with anyone as i see it, except with Penguin, they both are themed after some animal, cats hate birds, appeared together in a couple cartoon episodes and were in that movie together, (but they're just a part of the Rogue's gallery coorperation which features combinations of different members all the time) But Catwoman and Bane? i dont see ANYTHING they have to do with eachother
Posted by SarahG

After 2 rather good movies i dont see them dropping the ball just yet, especially when they are limiting themselves to 3 movies with this particular crew

Posted by NightFang

Thats interesting. 

Posted by GL 2411
@_Wildcard_: 
Stana Katic is an excellent choice for Talia. 
Posted by Billy Batson

:/

Posted by The Poet

hmm...like i said with the whole riddler fiasco of speculating who might be Mr. E, I will just wait till it actually comes out to either criticize or (the more likely) praise their choice in how they end this trilogy.

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Posted by entropy_aegis
@GL 2411 said:
" @_Wildcard_: 
Stana Katic is an excellent choice for Talia. 
"

Marion Cotillard is as good as done.
Posted by blaakmawf

Sounds like this movie is packed.

Posted by Band Lone

YEEEEES!!!!!!!!!!!! CONTINUITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XD

Posted by Bastion the Master--Sentinel

On March 19, 2011, it was confirmed by Variety that Joseph Gordon-Levitt is cast in an unknown role and Nolan plans to keep his personality a secret for as long as possible. Gordon-Levitt has since confirmed that he is going to play Alberto Falcone.    
Posted by punisher1313
@_Wildcard_ said:
" I don't mind seeing a young Ra's, it's the idea of marion cottiliard as talia that bugs me. Don't get me wrong, she's an amazing actress, but A) it would feel like a big inception reunion, we'd just need ellen page as batgirl to make it complete and B) there are several actresses that would be more suitable, personally i vote for stana katic. "
I agree, Marion Cottiliard is not near exotic enough to play Talia, this would be a horrible cast!!!
Posted by Grubich

I was actually kinda hoping to see a lazerous pit.

Posted by LordTaronji101

maybe he just entered a lazarus pool, thats somewhat believable

Posted by buttersdaman000

I like how Nolan always goes back to the same actors......

Posted by jonasLighter

I could see Stana Katic as talia, then again, I could see Eva Green in the part too.  Either way I'm going to see it, as well as every other whiney fan boy.

Posted by XFan616

I thought Joseph Gordon-Levitt was confirmed to be playing the son of Carmine Falcone. Was this exposed as a rumor?

Posted by battyfan1

ok......can someone explain to me....as best and convincing as you can about How Ras Al  Ghul is a badass......i must have missed that train.......

Posted by jorgeareizaga

HE IS SO HANDSOME!!!! i WANT TO PUT MY FACE IN HIS CROTCH!!!
Posted by entropy_aegis
@battyfan1 said:
"ok......can someone explain to me....as best and convincing as you can about How Ras Al  Ghul is a badass......i must have missed that train....... "

He does'nt end up in Arkham,his organization has trained the best fighters in DC,he makes guys like Joker,Riddler and Hush look like morons,he was Lex Luthors teacher,Ra's unlike other Batman villians save Poison Ivy and Bane is a COMPLETE character.His background/origins are tied with Bane as being arguably the best of all the batvillians.He can challange Batman on every level,he actually has a personality of his own.Do i need go on?Ra's is the best batvillian of them all.
Posted by VampireSelektor

 

This is just nerd fantasy, but it would entertaining to see Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Dick Grayson in a future sequence prowling the rooftops of Gotham as a high-ranking agent of Batman Inc. (formerly the League of Shadows). But casting the former 3rd Rock from the Sun wonderboy as Holiday sounds more sensible.

Posted by Chibi-Iroh

He isn't the villain its a flashback

Posted by dondasch

Why do people insist on having Bane trained by Ra's ?  It doesn't make sense.

Posted by entropy_aegis
@dondasch said:
"Why do people insist on having Bane trained by Ra's ?  It doesn't make sense. "

Yes it does.
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