New 52 Aquaman Respect Thread

#301 Posted by gokuwarrior (4368 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior: Concession accepted!

You can't even bring yourself to type a simple YES or NO.

So are you gonna answer or should I post your entire rant from the WW boards?

what different does it make?,he is not as fast as her on land so why should he tagg her when he is slower than her?.

#302 Edited by comicfan11 (740 posts) - - Show Bio

@gokuwarrior: Just so you know you only needed a simple yes or no.

So here

http://www.comicvine.com/wonder-woman/4005-2048/forums/wonder-woman-strength-680246/?page=4#js-message-10589315

The comment by gokuwarrior reads:

"new 52 WW is hyperconsic"

And as proven AQ can easily charge at that speed.

Cheers

#303 Posted by Fallschirmjager (14705 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicfan11: Solid calcs on the Super-jumping.

I've been trying to look up formulas to translate water-speed to land-speed and try to apply it. We know Aquaman is at least Mach 10+ in water. Which is about 7620+ mph.

However the density of water is something like 780+ times the density of air at sea level. Air density also lowers as you go higher and Water density increases as you go lower (to about 1000 meters where its then relatively flat)

However I've been having trouble finding proper calculations to convert it. Its not as simple as taking his underwater speed and multiplying it 780 times.

Given your 5000-9000~ range of speed on his super jumps, he theoretically should be a lot slower in water if we assume that's his maximum speed. And yet he's pretty much in the middle of the range for quantifiable thus far.

Feel free to do your own research. Let me know what you find. But we're probably just at the mercy of quantifiable feats. I'm not sure I'd be able to come up with a proper formula.

#304 Edited by comicfan11 (740 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: Nah I'm OK.

There's nothing more to prove.

Aquaman is one of the fastest non flying brick-like characters in DC.

#305 Posted by Fallschirmjager (14705 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicfan11: I just like quantifying things and crunching numbers is all :P

#306 Edited by comicfan11 (740 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: Dude then by all means if you come across anything similar and noteworthy do post it!

#307 Edited by Fallschirmjager (14705 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicfan11: This is the best I got so far - but its slightly vague.

Speed of Sound in air - 768 mph

Speed of sound in water - 3331 mph

basically sound travels 4.3 times faster in water than it does in air.

here's where it gets vague however. The Operative's Jet is hypersonic in air (obviously) meaning 7680 mph (mach 10). however (iirc) all they say is Aquaman will beat them to the island (and he does). they don't actually say he can swim hypersonic in water.

If he go hypersonic in water though it means means he is moving at 33,310 mph, 4.3 times the speed of someone who is hypersonic in the air.

I still don't have a way to convert his speed from land to water though. Sound may travel 4.3 times faster in water, but Aquaman isn't sound lol. At this point I'm looking into how much power it requires to move an object in water vs air, and then try to calculate his land speed from there. Logically it takes significantly more power to travel through water than air, but then we get into his powerset and whatnot and its all pretty vague.

Basically though, if we keep an eye out for any times super, hypersonic, high hypersonic, etc terms while he's actually swimming. It will gives us quantifiable speed.

#308 Posted by comicfan11 (740 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: The Others want to stop Aquaman at all costs.

We know they can't and that means traveling at their best speed.

That's hypersonic. There's nothing vague there.

But yeah you are correct.

Aquaman is at least Mach 5 when considering speed in air and not water.

#309 Edited by Fallschirmjager (14705 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicfan11: No I meant Aquaman's swim speed was vague. Yes The Others were going hypersonic, but that doesn't mean Aquaman was swimming at hypersonic. It just means he was swimming faster than hypersonic air speeds, which is only Mach 2-3 in water.

but in the future if we see him swimming in the water and "hypersonic" or "supersonic" etc is mentioned. thats 4.3 times faster in water vs air

#310 Edited by comicfan11 (740 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: Ah yeah that's what I meant.

LOL same thinking.

PS Seems the mod in the other thread indirectly validated our findings.

Nice.

#311 Posted by Ostyo (6291 posts) - - Show Bio
#312 Edited by comicfan11 (740 posts) - - Show Bio

@ostyo: Cheers.

Aquaman is a beast but many people stil for some idiotic reason believe Super Friends has meaning.

I mean what the h3ll.

Magic Johsnon lost an NBA championship in 1982 and was dubbed Tragic Johnson, but after that he won 4 more and 3 MVPs.

The stigma was gone.

Aquaman had many great comics, kick@ss animated appearances, a leading role in Injustice, etc and people still remember Super Firends,

How does that make any sense?

Furthermore how do young people even get the reference?

It's insane.

#313 Posted by Ostyo (6291 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicfan11: Couldn't agree more. It's amazing, I don't think one show has ever had such an effect on a character's public image as Super Friends did on Aquaman.

I think the key to fixing things is him getting a live action movie, and I mean a REALLY GOOD one that doesn't make things worse.

#314 Posted by comicfan11 (740 posts) - - Show Bio

@ostyo: Yeah.

I wasn't even born at least 15 years after the show and people still base the perception of the character based on that?

That's insane. That's sad. And that unfortunately says allot about STUPID people can be.

#315 Posted by Ostyo (6291 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicfan11: Yeah, I remember as a kid when people would chat about their favorite JL characters I would say Aquaman was my favorite, and they would just laugh and be like "the homo who talks to fish!?" I didn't know at the time about the SF cartoon so I was completely confused lol.

I've gotten quite a few people to change their minds though by showing them his new 52 stuff and kicking butt in Injustic. lol

#316 Edited by comicfan11 (740 posts) - - Show Bio

@ostyo: Exactly my reaction.

I was watching the JL animated cartoon and I was huh?

Are they talking about the same character? The dude that leads a continent, wields a massive magical trident and punches Green Lanterns in the face because he looked at him wrong?

Anyway cheers man.

#317 Posted by MaccyD (3394 posts) - - Show Bio

@ostyo: @comicfan11: For the people who can't remember super friends, there's always Big Bang Theory to remind them :(

#318 Posted by Ostyo (6291 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd: Yeah, that show pretty much made "Aquaman sucks" into a catchphrase.

#319 Edited by NoBody134 (282 posts) - - Show Bio

IF

@fallschirmjager said:

@comicfan11: Solid calcs on the Super-jumping.

I've been trying to look up formulas to translate water-speed to land-speed and try to apply it. We know Aquaman is at least Mach 10+ in water. Which is about 7620+ mph.

However the density of water is something like 780+ times the density of air at sea level. Air density also lowers as you go higher and Water density increases as you go lower (to about 1000 meters where its then relatively flat)

However I've been having trouble finding proper calculations to convert it. Its not as simple as taking his underwater speed and multiplying it 780 times.

Given your 5000-9000~ range of speed on his super jumps, he theoretically should be a lot slower in water if we assume that's his maximum speed. And yet he's pretty much in the middle of the range for quantifiable thus far.

Feel free to do your own research. Let me know what you find. But we're probably just at the mercy of quantifiable feats. I'm not sure I'd be able to come up with a proper formula.

here's a little help with that:

the Atmosphere puts pressure of 1.03 kg at any given moment one you.

which is the same as being 0.3 meters underwater, aquaman can achive mach 20 without any of his arms at the bottom of the ocean, without the water to smack at his face...

4.3 kilometers is the average ocean depth, and the water at the deepest parts of ocean can reach density of 1300-1350 kg m^3 because of the temperature, if we are to assume that he hit average speed (mach 20) under no optimal conditions at the average depth of the ocean (he was going up after all) then we end up with pressure of 8875... tons, well over the pressure of the atmosphere, if we assume that while using bot his arms he could go 3-4 times as fast (he was taking GL with him and using only one arm, THE HOOK-SWORD ONE, come on guys) as fast, he would be enduring, according to the Drag equation, nearly 27,000 tons of force striking him multiple times a sec, taking this much weight off him (he would still move at mach 100 or so) would make him move at mach 524,271,844 out of water, 599 times the speed of light (hahahaha), low end calc would put it at a speed level of 16.4 times the speed of light, DC broke physics lol.

i would give aquaman a relativistic-low FTL at best, still really speedy

#320 Posted by jesusdisciple001 (545 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicfan11: the scan on top of the ww/AQ Supes are most powerful ppl on earth is from where pls

#321 Edited by Fallschirmjager (14705 posts) - - Show Bio

@nobody134: Yeah. Nice math, but I was pretty sure it would turn into one of those logic-does-apply situations lol.

Thanks for sharing it though. Although Aquaman isn't Mach 20 yet in the New-52. All we know so far for quantifiable is he can out swim a hypersonic jet.

#322 Posted by NoBody134 (282 posts) - - Show Bio

@nobody134: Yeah. Nice math, but I was pretty sure it would turn into one of those logic-does-apply situations lol.

Thanks for sharing it though. Although Aquaman isn't Mach 20 yet in the New-52. All we know so far for quantifiable is he can out swim a hypersonic jet.

we don't have any solid aquaman speed feats thus far, but he is WW class IMO.

#323 Posted by MaccyD (3394 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: @nobody134: Just curious, I heard somewhere on the forums that Aquaman was once able to keep up alongside Flash while in the water. Is this true?

#324 Edited by Fallschirmjager (14705 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd: I don't personally have the scans (@comicfan11) might. But I have seen scans Aquaman swimming with Flash running on the water. (Should have saved it, haha). It was definitely Pre-52 though.

Classic Aquaman has also replicated some of Flash's feats - like spinning his arms and creating a vortex.

#325 Posted by NoBody134 (282 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd said:

@fallschirmjager: @nobody134: Just curious, I heard somewhere on the forums that Aquaman was once able to keep up alongside Flash while in the water. Is this true?

he did, once, he also moved faster than sups himself

#326 Edited by comicfan11 (740 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd: Pre New 52 he had done it multiple times.

On top of my head i remember JLA :Ape (Annual Event), JLA : Black Baptism, JLA : Heaven's Ladder, and those are all the harpoond hand version. He also did it before and after.

I don't have those now. I'll try to post them sometime, but no promises.

But here are 2 of his best classic feats here.

Literally replicates a Flash feat.

That's Aquaman in disguise.

First he outreacts Superman, while saving at least a dozen people.

And then speeds away before Superman can reach him.

And here he confirms he could swim faster than Superman if he wasn't injured (in the beginning of the issue). Also he doesn't do it not to hurt Superman's ego. LOL.

@nobody134:

Outswimming the Living Room was quantifiable (Hypersonic)

Apart from that leaping from Boston harbor to the middle of the city instantly, if our calculations where correct. (Hypersonic)

Those are the ones as far as i know, which help with his speed when charging.

But he also has unquantifiable ones like grabbing Cheetah underwater before she could react.

As for pre New 52, yeah DC broke physics, so in that case low FTL would make sense since we see Aquaman keeping up with Flash, doing Flash stuff and leaving Superman in the cold.

@jesusdisciple001: JLA 8

#327 Edited by MaccyD (3394 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicfan11: Thanks. For the last panel, I'd imagine it's the same for the New 52 as it's been written as though Supes is the jack of all trades, he isn't as good in certain areas as the specialists (speed for flash etcetera).

#328 Edited by comicfan11 (740 posts) - - Show Bio

@maccyd: No problem.

It's too early to tell in the New 52.

Not enough feats for either Superman or Aquaman.

But DC always portrayed Aquaman as the fastest swimmer in comics. Especially in Silver Age, when he wasn't as strong, he beat his opponents most of the time with speed.

#329 Posted by matchesmalone21 (8251 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicfan11: Thanks for posting mate!! But Dc Universe vs Master of Universe is canon?

#330 Posted by batmannflash (6168 posts) - - Show Bio
#331 Posted by comicfan11 (740 posts) - - Show Bio

@batmannflash: It's from DCU vs Masters of the Universe #2

@matchesmalone21: I'm not sure tbh. But they mention the 3 Justice Leagues and how Hal Jordan left the JL, so it seems like it.

#332 Edited by Fallschirmjager (14705 posts) - - Show Bio

Scans from Aquaman Annual

Aquaman dispatching trench monsters with little effort.

Aquaman telepathically communicates with Ya'wara who is on the other side of the world

Discription of some of the Atlantean relics

Aquaman swimming through Tsunami forces with no problem. Also displays his leadership skills has he commands The Others.

Aquaman fights Morgan Le Fey. Note scan 3 in which the Trident absorbs a magical blast with no damage.

#333 Posted by comicfan11 (740 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: Nice feats this week and nice scans man.

I also added the first scan that shows Aquaman has followed those creatures all the way to the East Chine Sea (superhuman endurance) and some missing scan from the fight with the mutations (agility, reflexes and fighting skill)

The fight with Morgana Lefay was great.

We see AQ's superhuman strength (swims through a tsunami and punches Morgana), speed (blitzes a flying Morgana), leaping (leaps several stories up to Morgana's level), durability (tanks Morgana's first blast), reflexes (he deflects Moragana's second kill blast) and the Trident deflecting magic and hurting a high level mage. He also shows great strategic skill again in organizing the Others

Good issue.

#334 Edited by Fallschirmjager (14705 posts) - - Show Bio
#335 Edited by The_Judge_since_83 (39 posts) - - Show Bio

My only problem with that Aquaman annual (and this might be the wrong place to bring it up) was that they did go out of their way to explain how several of the relics worked and then gave us nothing about the trident. I got all kinds of psyched as I was reading it that we'd find out a little more about it and then......nope, it just does what he needs it to. Sorry, just needed to vent, that really irked me. Other than that it was a good issue with some great showings from Aquaman.

#336 Posted by BlackWind (5352 posts) - - Show Bio

Nice to see the Others really aren't being forgotten. Also, it's nothing new tha Arthur's TP can reach vast distances, he did it plenty of times pre 52. Let's keep this up.

#337 Posted by Sieg_Ziggurat (1 posts) - - Show Bio

I went to a comic con in London and lets just say Aquaman is still not getting the respect he deserves ...

#338 Posted by comicfan11 (740 posts) - - Show Bio
#339 Posted by Fallschirmjager (14705 posts) - - Show Bio

My only problem with that Aquaman annual (and this might be the wrong place to bring it up) was that they did go out of their way to explain how several of the relics worked and then gave us nothing about the trident. I got all kinds of psyched as I was reading it that we'd find out a little more about it and then......nope, it just does what he needs it to. Sorry, just needed to vent, that really irked me. Other than that it was a good issue with some great showings from Aquaman.

Aquaman was kind of coy about it "It does what I need it to".

It may be possible they have bigger plans for it later.

Also, it absorbed/tanked a magical blast from Morgan completely unharmed, so that is potentially something with more details.

Other than that we're all ready know its one of the most powerful weapons in New 52 though, having wrecked Darkseid few times over.

#340 Posted by BlackWind (5352 posts) - - Show Bio

@Fallschrimjager: They've been doing that for a while. SHOW what the other artifacts can do, but only skate around or hype up the trident.

#341 Edited by Fallschirmjager (14705 posts) - - Show Bio

Scans from Aquaman 25

Aquaman easily smashes a wooden ship's hull
Aquaman casually smashes Mera's Prison
Tears apart Dead King's Ice Constructs to Free Atlanteans
Dodges Ice Constructs, and gets stabbed by his own Trident (but is fine)

Aquaman commands the Trench Monsters via the Dead King's Sceptor

Aquaman fights the dead king displaying various abilities including: Strength, Durability, Healing, Speed, Fighting Skill

#342 Posted by BlackWind (5352 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: Damn, Aquaman is richer than a mother! Imma use that anytime another "who would you rather be" thread pops up.

#343 Posted by Fallschirmjager (14705 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: Damn, Aquaman is richer than a mother! Imma use that anytime another "who would you rather be" thread pops up.

yeah lol. 60 billion NBD.

Besides. Mera alone is enough to win 9/10 "who would you rather be's"

#344 Posted by Justthatkid (2354 posts) - - Show Bio

The fact that The Dead King destroyed Atlantis once with Smashing the sceptor and Aquaman grabs it preventing him from doing it once more shows he is a major powerhouse underwater I personally don't think he looks like he's struggling much and also after being stabbed in the gut with the trident. Didn't understand how he withstood the heat but The Dead King could not though.

#345 Posted by BlackWind (5352 posts) - - Show Bio

The Scepter must be made of some different material than the trident considering it melted. Aquaman ignoring being stabbed with the trident was also nice.

#346 Posted by patrat18 (8479 posts) - - Show Bio

Damn i loved this issue. We need a gotdamn Aquaman animated movie and a live action one.

#347 Edited by Fallschirmjager (14705 posts) - - Show Bio

The Scepter must be made of some different material than the trident considering it melted. Aquaman ignoring being stabbed with the trident was also nice.

His wound healed up pretty quick too. Aquaman's healing abilities are top notch

The fact that The Dead King destroyed Atlantis once with Smashing the sceptor and Aquaman grabs it preventing him from doing it once more shows he is a major powerhouse underwater I personally don't think he looks like he's struggling much and also after being stabbed in the gut with the trident. Didn't understand how he withstood the heat but The Dead King could not though.

Even the Atlanteans were amazed he caught it! :)

#348 Posted by Justthatkid (2354 posts) - - Show Bio

@fallschirmjager: That's what actually made me take a second look, They were like "How is that possible" and me How is what possible and then I was like Oh O.O Great example of strength definitely with the rush to get to the sceptor before he slammed it and the massive force that thing has been shown to cause. I'm confused on the Atlanteans being imprisoned are the chains made out of some other alloy?

#349 Posted by BlackWind (5352 posts) - - Show Bio

@justthatkid: Considering Atlan was able t make an indestructable trident, it isn't hard to assume Atlanteans have materials strong enough to restrict their prisoners and such. Just any old alloy wouldn't hold an Atlantean.

#350 Posted by Justthatkid (2354 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackwind: I'm glad then I hope that was there excuse for this in DCAU, I know it has nothing to do with DCnU just was looking back on it, but then again most of the power characters were treated bad,

I'm really hoping the Atlantean in general are shown as a strong race.

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