AJ (Arthur Joseph / Junior) could work well as Aqualad?

#1 Edited by csguterres (205 posts) - - Show Bio

AJ / Arthur Joseph / Arthur Junior

Yes, the new Aquaman was not very popular. BUT, it was because he was stealing the spotlight from the original Aquaman.

Imagine if Arthur Joseph was reintroduced as the long lost son of Aquaman, Arthur Junior (who was probably retconed out of existence in the New 52) - I think people would like him more.

If was de-aged just a little bit, he could work well as a sidekick / partner, using the classic Blue costume (he was seen wearing it on Batman The Brave and The Bold TV Show!) and a new codename, maybe even Aqualad ( But only if we can find some better name for Kaldur to call himself! )

Pros:

- Real family relationships could be develop since Aquaman and Mera are AJ's parents (but unfortunately DC doesn't like it very much...)

Cons:

- Lack of power diversity, he has basically the same powers as Aquaman (But that could be resolved if they give AJ a different power, like mimic the abilities of any sea animal - just as Animal Man does, but only with sea life)

- Now AJ would be stealing the spotlight from Aquaman's other sidekicks, like Garth and Kaldur.

What do you think?

#2 Posted by BlackWind (6747 posts) - - Show Bio

Pass. Kaldur should be the definitive Aqualad. YJ did exceedingly well with him when he was barely known. I want to see him go further.

Arthur Joseph, I don't care to see again.

#3 Posted by StrangeMan (411 posts) - - Show Bio

He could be cool, but Kaldur is somewhat more interesting, the fact that he's Black Manta's son makes for A TON of stories.

Still, I have a thing for Garth, and I think that he's been mentioned already in the DCnU, but I want him to be introduced properly, as Tempest or Aqualad, but I don't like that he's been so out of the spotlight for years now.

#4 Posted by BlackWind (6747 posts) - - Show Bio

@StrangeMan said:

He could be cool, but Kaldur is somewhat more interesting, the fact that he's Black Manta's son makes for A TON of stories.

Still, I have a thing for Garth, and I think that he's been mentioned already in the DCnU, but I want him to be introduced properly, as Tempest or Aqualad, but I don't like that he's been so out of the spotlight for years now.

If YJ continued I'd bet money once Black Manta realises Kaldur is still loyal to Arthur, Manta will explode with so much hatred a Red Lantern Ring will be summoned and Manta will accuse Arthur of stealing the love of his son.

#5 Edited by csguterres (205 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlackWind said:

If YJ continued I'd bet money once Black Manta realises Kaldur is still loyal to Arthur, Manta will explode with so much hatred a Red Lantern Ring will be summoned and Manta will accuse Arthur of stealing the love of his son.

Except by the Red Lantern Ring part, I really think this will happen!

(Well, If YJ crossover with GLTAS maybe even the Red Lantern Ring might show up! LOL )

#6 Posted by BlackWind (6747 posts) - - Show Bio

@csguterres: I was kidding about the Red Lantern Ring part.

#7 Posted by csguterres (205 posts) - - Show Bio

@BlackWind said:

@csguterres: I was kidding about the Red Lantern Ring part.

I know! I just played along!

#8 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13390 posts) - - Show Bio

@StrangeMan said:

He could be cool, but Kaldur is somewhat more interesting, the fact that he's Black Manta's son makes for A TON of stories.

Still, I have a thing for Garth, and I think that he's been mentioned already in the DCnU, but I want him to be introduced properly, as Tempest or Aqualad, but I don't like that he's been so out of the spotlight for years now.

#10 Posted by Avenging-X-Bolt (13390 posts) - - Show Bio

no thanks.

#11 Posted by BlackWind (6747 posts) - - Show Bio

Mera, Garth, and Kaldur'ahm already have hydrokinesis. No need to try and throw it around the entire Aquafamily.

#12 Edited by Justthatkid (4357 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackwind: If AJ is the son of Mera shouldn't he have water shaping abilities it just depends on how you use it. Maybe making him able to turn water to ice like Garth but not give him Garth's other abilities.

#13 Posted by BlackWind (6747 posts) - - Show Bio

If anything that's just a slightly different way to use a power three others always have. Any new member needs an ability not a rehash of someone else's. Besides, wven assuming we did see Garth and Kaldur rejoin the Aquafamily, we wouldn't be seeing AJ anytime soon in a fight.

#14 Posted by Justthatkid (4357 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackwind: That kinda is like saying Damian shouldn't use escrima's because nightwing has escrima's or power girl shouldn't have been introduced because she and supergirl have the same abilities, I like Kaldur and I probally would pick him over A.J but I like the thought of a big Aquafamily it makes more sense then a big batman family or super family because there identities are public. A.J. is the son of Mera as well as Aquaman so I couldn't see why he wouldn't be able to shape hard water like his mother as for a difference why not give him the sword of Atlantis?

#15 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

Joseph can be rebooted as a barbarian character and should not be related to Aquaman. New code name for Joseph can be plain Joseph or maybe his code name can be Sword.

#16 Posted by Justthatkid (4357 posts) - - Show Bio

@colonyofcells: My whole point of wanting him in the new universe would be to be a supporting character of Aquaman How bout this Garth: Sorcery, Heat and Cool water temp.,Energy Blast, Kaldur: Water bearers, water control, electrokinesis as the electric touch Mera: Master control of water A.J.: Water control, Cyrokinesis I believe that's the term for ice, and Sword of Atlantis.

#17 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

Joseph's origin was closer to the golden age origin wherein he was a human who underwent genetic engineering so his origin is quite contemporary. Joseph being a human would make him more relatable. So Joseph gains powers from genetic engineering by his father (similar to Iron Munro origin) and Joseph's powers can be useful on both land and water and Joseph becomes friends with Aquaman. Not sure why Joseph would choose to live on the polluted oceans.

#18 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

For Joseph to be part of the Aquaman title, may have to reboot Joseph as an Atlantean meta with magic sword so Joseph can be the underwater version of Deathstroke.

#19 Posted by Veshark (9058 posts) - - Show Bio

Nope, let this dude float in limbo. I want Kaldur, frankly. With blond hair and all.

#20 Posted by colonyofcells (2038 posts) - - Show Bio

I heard rumors long ago that there are plans for the black aqualad in the Aquaman title which was why aqualad was not used in the Teen Titans comic yet.

#22 Posted by Justthatkid (4357 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackwind: Aquaman-Batman, Mera-Batwoman, Tempest-Nightwing, Tula-Batgirl, Koryak- Red Hood, Kaldur-Red Robin, Lorena Marquez-Stephanie Brown, Linda-Cassandra Cain, AJ- Damian Wayne. I'm not trying to compare the Aqua-Family with the Bat Family but I like the thought of AJ and Damian being teammates I could imagine AJ being like Garth and Damian like Grayson in that episode of Brave and the Bold called Sidekicks assemble.

#23 Posted by comicfan11 (740 posts) - - Show Bio

AQ has been my favorite character since the early 90s.

In all the time I follow the character AJ was by far the most unnecessary and worst development to ever happen to the AQ mythos.

Basically Didio wanted some way to boost AQ sales and I believe (can't confirm that) ordered Busiek to introduce a new AQ during the One Year Later storyline that was running in the entire DC catalog. So Busiek came up with THE EXACTLY SAME ORIGIN from the Golden Age.

This "new" Aquaman was actually a FAR WEAKER VERSION of the original AQ, with a sword HE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW HOW TO USE (until some time later) and no connection to any of the AQ characters.

As far as stories goes, there was some potential but it all came down to this. This was not Aquaman.

Long story short, let AJ be forgotten. He more than served his purpose and really overstayed his welcome.

The only thing I suggest from that period is the two part storyline which tells the story of Aquaman and King Shark's first meeting, where you get to see the original Aquaman kick major ass, in a fantasy-epic setting, with some nice artwork.

#24 Posted by BlackWind (6747 posts) - - Show Bio

@comicfan11: Basically this. Arthur Jospeph didn't go anywhere because people wanted Orin back. He didn't appeal to me at all. And considering Johns' fascination with the Silver Age, I doubt a lot of Aquaman villains from the 90s or 00s will be used. We'll either get old ones, or new ones, most likely.

#25 Posted by Justthatkid (4357 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackwind: This topic is about Arthur Joseph being the long lost son of Aquaman being AJ, Aquababy, and Arthur Joseph being the same person, not the golden age version being brought back which I would disagree to also. He looks like a blonde Damian in my opinion that's why I like him the suits recolored.

#26 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

AJ / Arthur Joseph / Arthur Junior

Yes, the new Aquaman was not very popular. BUT, it was because he was stealing the spotlight from the original Aquaman.

Imagine if Arthur Joseph was reintroduced as the long lost son of Aquaman, Arthur Junior (who was probably retconed out of existence in the New 52) - I think people would like him more.

If was de-aged just a little bit, he could work well as a sidekick / partner, using the classic Blue costume (he was seen wearing it on Batman The Brave and The Bold TV Show!) and a new codename, maybe even Aqualad ( But only if we can find some better name for Kaldur to call himself! )

Pros:

- Real family relationships could be develop since Aquaman and Mera are AJ's parents (but unfortunately DC doesn't like it very much...)

Cons:

- Lack of power diversity, he has basically the same powers as Aquaman (But that could be resolved if they give AJ a different power, like mimic the abilities of any sea animal - just as Animal Man does, but only with sea life)

- Now AJ would be stealing the spotlight from Aquaman's other sidekicks, like Garth and Kaldur.

What do you think?

Pass. When the relaunched that book to introduce this version of the character, I was mystified. They gave up all the awesome Sub Diego storyline stuff for that? Ugh. Screw you "one year later".

#27 Edited by Justthatkid (4357 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg: A revamped version that could have ties dealing to Orin as his long lost son and probally the first hero's kid to die in the DC Universe.

#28 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg: A revamped version that could have ties dealing to Orin as his long lost son and probally the first hero's kid to die in the DC Universe.

I'm not sure that's a story I want to read.

#29 Posted by Justthatkid (4357 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg: And if people said that about Aquaman due to popularity in the past before 52? Not being written well in the past is a great reason for another writer to move along and try to make a interesting story out of a character, rather then replace or etc.

#30 Posted by fodigg (6146 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg: And if people said that about Aquaman due to popularity in the past before 52? Not being written well in the past is a great reason for another writer to move along and try to make a interesting story out of a character, rather then replace or etc.

I meant, "a hero's kid dying" is not a story I want to read.

#31 Posted by Dernman (15222 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't want any Aqualad.

#32 Posted by Justthatkid (4357 posts) - - Show Bio

@fodigg: Reboot, Same character just tell a different story with him he doesn't have to be written to be killed.

#33 Posted by Justthatkid (4357 posts) - - Show Bio

@dernman: You Martian's are Heartless :/

#34 Posted by Dernman (15222 posts) - - Show Bio

@justthatkid: We are not heartless. In fact individually we have more then you humans. We just keep them in jars.

After years of pulling them out during anal probes we have quite the collection.

#35 Posted by Justthatkid (4357 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackwind: The Others was a team in the Aquaman book in the 90's and got rebooted.

#36 Edited by Justthatkid (4357 posts) - - Show Bio

@strangeman: Interesting depends on how the character is written, not just the background of the character but his/her actions.

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