Apocalypse is wrong

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#101 Edited by CosmicSpiral (5471 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edamame said:

"   No wonder why Mr. Sinister betrays him so much. I haven't seen Sinister betraying as many people as Apoc. does or has.   How exactly does Apoc. respond to someone more powerful to him? Would he be servile or still hating? "

He never admits that anyone is more powerful than him. Hence, hypocrite. 
#102 Edited by Edamame (28007 posts) - - Show Bio
@CosmicSpiral: You mean he ignores that say Magneto or Vulcan is more powerful than him? Probably right.  He is so egotistical. Annoying at times and a little bit immature, in my opinion. Ironic how he is thousands of years old. LOL.
 
Apoc.'s personality is somewhat based on Hitler; he wants to control the masses by making false claims and stabbing them in the back later.
#103 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio

The Celestials pretty much own Apocalypse.

#104 Edited by Edamame (28007 posts) - - Show Bio
@CosmicSpiral: Apoc. probably has some sort of inferiority complex, because he knows that without all of the Celestial Technology, he would be must less powerful and much less of a threat. So he is trying to prove something by using that Celestial Tech. to make himself powerful and prove his ostensible superiority over everyone else. My opinion. I am assuming that the "pact" that Apocalypse made with the Celestials involves his completely merging with the Celestial Tech. and I don't know what he owes them though. His life? Maybe?
#105 Posted by crimsonspider89 (817 posts) - - Show Bio

No, Apocalypse believes in the survival of the strongest and those who are weak should make themselves strong in order to survive. No matter how.  
 
Also, Darwin was not the first scientist to coin the phrase, he was the one to suggest natural selection.  

#106 Posted by Green Skin (2932 posts) - - Show Bio
@crimsonspider89 said:
" No, Apocalypse believes in the survival of the strongest and those who are weak should make themselves strong in order to survive. No matter how.   Also, Darwin was not the first scientist to coin the phrase, he was the one to suggest natural selection.   "
QFT
#107 Posted by Edamame (28007 posts) - - Show Bio
@crimsonspider89: But Apoc. does not care about the weak and whether or not they become strong. If they rival power of his own then he will either use them for his own goals and then betray them later or defeat them himself and possibly kill them.
#108 Posted by kadeem (2870 posts) - - Show Bio

Apocalypse's survival of the fittest take on morality is actually closer to the work of Herbert Spencer than it is to anything that Darwin wrote.  Herbert Spencer was the father of the philosophy "Social Darwinism", which is based on a misinterpretation of Darwin's account of evolution.  Darwin stated that a species's survival was dependent on its ability to develop adaptations that were beneficial in its given environment. Darwin was not making a claim about how humans should behave in society, as Spencer or Apocalypse misrepresents it.  As a matter of fact all the organisms in a given environment contribute to forming an ecosystem which is beneficial to both the survival and the evolution to the given species.  Apocalypse and Spencer misrepresent evolution as being solely the consequence of compotition, but actually there is a very strong element of cooperation that is needed between species for evolution to occur.

#109 Posted by DoomDoomDoom (3892 posts) - - Show Bio
I'm glad Kadeem mentioned Hebert Spencer I couldn't think of his name but I believe he is credited for coining the term "survival of the fittest", not Darwin.
#110 Edited by AgentOrange (306 posts) - - Show Bio
@kadeem: maybe like  Friedrich Nietzsche apocalypse has  missed the whole point due to the fact he also contracted syphilis driving him about as sane and as logical as a man about to cut off his own ear and post it to a prostitute whom he thinks is his girlfriend (Damn their golden hearts) basically Apocalypse is 
syphilitic explains everything the grandiose schemes the convoluted disillusion and reasoning the facial scarring
 
 
Hey!! maybe thats the difference between the Heroes and Villains the missing link get me some antibiotics A S.A.P
 

#111 Edited by CosmicSpiral (5471 posts) - - Show Bio
@AgentOrange said:
" @kadeem: maybe like  Friedrich Nietzsche apocalypse has  missed the whole point due to the fact he also contracted syphilis driving him about as sane and as logical as a man about to cut off his own ear and post it to a prostitute whom he thinks is his girlfriend (Damn their golden hearts) basically Apocalypse is 
syphilitic explains everything the grandiose schemes the convoluted disillusion and reasoning the facial scarring
 
 
Hey!! maybe thats the difference between the Heroes and Villains the missing link get me some antibiotics A S.A.P
 

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Nietzsche was a great philosopher, and did not support this garbage at all. Stop reading Nazi interpretations of his work.  

@kadeem said:

" Apocalypse's survival of the fittest take on morality is actually closer to the work of Herbert Spencer than it is to anything that Darwin wrote.  Herbert Spencer was the father of the philosophy "Social Darwinism", which is based on a misinterpretation of Darwin's account of evolution.  Darwin stated that a species's survival was dependent on its ability to develop adaptations that were beneficial in its given environment. Darwin was not making a claim about how humans should behave in society, as Spencer or Apocalypse misrepresents it.  As a matter of fact all the organisms in a given environment contribute to forming an ecosystem which is beneficial to both the survival and the evolution to the given species.  Apocalypse and Spencer misrepresent evolution as being solely the consequence of compotition, but actually there is a very strong element of cooperation that is needed between species for evolution to occur. "

That's because evolution by definition is a change among species, not among individuals. 
#112 Posted by kadeem (2870 posts) - - Show Bio
@CosmicSpiral said:
" @AgentOrange said:
" @kadeem: maybe like  Friedrich Nietzsche apocalypse has  missed the whole point due to the fact he also contracted syphilis driving him about as sane and as logical as a man about to cut off his own ear and post it to a prostitute whom he thinks is his girlfriend (Damn their golden hearts) basically Apocalypse is 
syphilitic explains everything the grandiose schemes the convoluted disillusion and reasoning the facial scarring
 
 
Hey!! maybe thats the difference between the Heroes and Villains the missing link get me some antibiotics A S.A.P
 

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Nietzsche was a great philosopher, and did not support this garbage at all. Stop reading Nazi interpretations of his work.  
 
 
I can see an argument being made that Apocalypse in a Nietzschian Ubermench.  Apocalypse has overcome great adversities through his early life to become great and powerful and to live on his own terms.  While Nietzsche was not a Social Darwinist, he did reject the notions of good and evil as well as morality itself.
#113 Posted by Edamame (28007 posts) - - Show Bio

As "wrong" as Apocalypse is, his philosophy is definitely realistic.

#114 Posted by Yung ANcient One (4358 posts) - - Show Bio

this thread is stupid... Yea... Apoc is wrong... but hes right... kind of... and Yes Darwin was the 1st to say it but he wasnt... kind of... so to chatter about Who is 100% right and 100% wrong... is well stupid... kind of... see it kinda doesnt matter... nothing really matters... but thats beside the point... this topic of being 100% wrong or 100% right... is useless because it changes nothing... see Apoc says it his Way... and its a Imagination land and in that land Darwin doesnt exist... so Apoc isnt wrong for saying it on the account that he believes in it... But he is wrong by believing that it is ok to kill innocent people to create a perfect future... its Inhumane... and not cool... and the world does live by survival of the fittest... but in the context of being Wealthy... and healthy... not necessarily  being able to survive a disaster or being able to beat someone else up... IMO

#115 Posted by Edamame (28007 posts) - - Show Bio

As "wrong" as Apocalypse may be, life truly is about "The Survival of the Fittest."

#116 Posted by AgentOrange (306 posts) - - Show Bio
@CosmicSpiral said:

" @AgentOrange said:

" @kadeem: maybe like  Friedrich Nietzsche apocalypse has  missed the whole point due to the fact he also contracted syphilis driving him about as sane and as logical as a man about to cut off his own ear and post it to a prostitute whom he thinks is his girlfriend (Damn their golden hearts) basically Apocalypse is 
syphilitic explains everything the grandiose schemes the convoluted disillusion and reasoning the facial scarring
 
 
Hey!! maybe thats the difference between the Heroes and Villains the missing link get me some antibiotics A S.A.P
 

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Nietzsche was a great philosopher, and did not support this garbage at all. Stop reading Nazi interpretations of his work.  

@kadeem said:

" Apocalypse's survival of the fittest take on morality is actually closer to the work of Herbert Spencer than it is to anything that Darwin wrote.  Herbert Spencer was the father of the philosophy "Social Darwinism", which is based on a misinterpretation of Darwin's account of evolution.  Darwin stated that a species's survival was dependent on its ability to develop adaptations that were beneficial in its given environment. Darwin was not making a claim about how humans should behave in society, as Spencer or Apocalypse misrepresents it.  As a matter of fact all the organisms in a given environment contribute to forming an ecosystem which is beneficial to both the survival and the evolution to the given species.  Apocalypse and Spencer misrepresent evolution as being solely the consequence of compotition, but actually there is a very strong element of cooperation that is needed between species for evolution to occur. "

That's because evolution by definition is a change among species, not among individuals.  "
 Sure I agree with you completely the interpretation of the classics in philosophy has been completely corrupted by nefarious political tossers gits and fanatics, to rally people to a flag waving contest and create scape goats. The important thing in this thread is what would apocalypse think ? I'd say his interpretation of Darwin and the work of Nietzsche is very very Nazi like "Oh so Stating the Obvious". Not to put a to fine a point on it but Apocalypse is a  racist dictator with a god complex  who wants to create a super human race through conflict and the enslavement of others. 
 
Using great literature for domination In my book that's just plain rude!!!  
Philosophy is not a weapon we should be using  philosophy to inspire our selves and a generation to get wasted!! 
again
#117 Posted by CATMANEXE (17052 posts) - - Show Bio

 dictator  


dont take this to hard but Apocalypse rules no one nor nation.
he has no followers of his doctrines and examples other than himself. 
 
and yes, he's inflammatory. he's the villain. why would he come off as MLK?
#118 Posted by Edamame (28007 posts) - - Show Bio
@CATMANEXE: Holocaust and Stryfe followed Apocalypse's Survival of the Fittest philosophy pretty well. And so does Mr. Sinister and Magneto to a small extent.  Apocalypse, also, wants to rule everyone. He wants to be at the top.
#119 Posted by Korg (11931 posts) - - Show Bio
#120 Edited by Edamame (28007 posts) - - Show Bio
@Korg: Blink and Chamber don't follow the Survival of the Fittest philosophy.  I am referring to your post about Clan Akkaba. But the rest of Clan Akkaba does.
#121 Posted by kadeem (2870 posts) - - Show Bio

The man started a cult which literally worships him as god, and says that he should be worshiped because he is the"fittest".  What does that tell you?

#122 Posted by Edamame (28007 posts) - - Show Bio
@kadeem: That he is narcissistic and has a superiority complex. 
#123 Posted by maistin (19 posts) - - Show Bio

 For what it’s worth Apocalypse is completely insane, referring to himself as a savoir of the planet.  Of course, 3000 years locked up in an alien spaceship would make anybody a little nutty .

How seriously, or literally, can you really take the words of a mad man?  He’s off his rocker - nuts - crazy!  His words and overall philosophy might sound a lot like others (such as Darwin’s) but they are a product of an insane mind.

That’s why I’ve always liked Apocalypse as a villain, he’s answers the question of what would happen if you had an incredibly powerful mutant that was also completely psycho - ah hilarity ensues!

#124 Posted by Edamame (28007 posts) - - Show Bio
@maistin: Do you think that the comic book writers tried to base Apocalypse off of Hitler?
 
In terms of personality, character, etc.?
#125 Posted by maistin (19 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edamame: 
 
 You could say that Hitler and Apocalypse have a lot in common; they’re both psychotic genocide-monsters who commit crimes against humanity.  Hitler certainly took things that where in no way truthful and then forced them onto the German people through constant propaganda and coercion.  Hitler was insane in that he felt the lies he was spreading where the truth, he believed them with an inhumane obsession - much like Apocalypse.  Both Hitler and Apocalypse are convinced that they are doing the right thing, and that they are destined to rule the world.  

I don’t know if Marvel was thinking of making a mutant Hitler when they thought of Apocalypse, but if someone asked me to write about some psycho wanting to purify the human race through genocide Hitler would sure spring to mind.
#126 Posted by Edamame (28007 posts) - - Show Bio
@maistin: I agree. One other thing that people assume about is Apocalypse is just because he is thousands of years old, does not mean that he is incredibly intelligent and he really is not the most intelligent X-Men Villain.  I would dare to say that Mr. Sinister is more intelligent than Apocalypse for a couple of reasons.  Apocalypse spent a lot of that time sleeping as well. So...LOL. Mr. Sinister is so much more dangerous compared to Apoc. because of his superior intelligence.  The good thing for the X-Men is that Sinister is not as genocidal as Apoc. is.  " D
#127 Posted by bumnut (1789 posts) - - Show Bio

Does anyone know where Apocalypse is as of now? Last I saw of him was walking of with Stryfe's body.  Was that in the future? Is he around today?
#128 Posted by bumnut (1789 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edamame said:
" @CATMANEXE: Holocaust and Stryfe followed Apocalypse's Survival of the Fittest philosophy pretty well. And so does Mr. Sinister and Magneto to a small extent.  Apocalypse, also, wants to rule everyone. He wants to be at the top. "

Holocaust was suppose to be his son, though I don't think in the literal/blood sense, Stryfe was a clone of Cable that Apoc kidnapped from birth and brainwashed into his servitude as a future vessel, Sinister is a geneticist, and couldn't care less for Apoc's way of life, in fact, he's totally against it, hence why he created a being like Cable, to have a weapon to take him down one day, and Mags, only believes in Mutants as a superior race, he's quite different from apoc.
#129 Posted by CylonDorado (1867 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol, according to Darwin, Apocalypse's top priority should be having a bunch of kids.

#130 Posted by Edamame (28007 posts) - - Show Bio
@bumnut said:
" Does anyone know where Apocalypse is as of now? Last I saw of him was walking of with Stryfe's body.  Was that in the future? Is he around today? "
He should be returning in Second Coming.  Yes. He was in the Age of Stryfe.  He transferred his consciousness into Stryfe's body, which shouldn't have happened because Apocalypse himself said that he couldn't do that to a clone's body. Maybe he was lying? 
 
@bumnut said:
" @Edamame said:
" @CATMANEXE: Holocaust and Stryfe followed Apocalypse's Survival of the Fittest philosophy pretty well. And so does Mr. Sinister and Magneto to a small extent.  Apocalypse, also, wants to rule everyone. He wants to be at the top. "
Holocaust was suppose to be his son, though I don't think in the literal/blood sense, Stryfe was a clone of Cable that Apoc kidnapped from birth and brainwashed into his servitude as a future vessel, Sinister is a geneticist, and couldn't care less for Apoc's way of life, in fact, he's totally against it, hence why he created a being like Cable, to have a weapon to take him down one day, and Mags, only believes in Mutants as a superior race, he's quite different from apoc. "

I don't even think that the comic book writers established where Holocaust comes from. Maybe another adoption, like Stryfe.  Apocalypse also views mutants as being superior to humans, just in a more extreme way.  He even applies the Survival of the Fittest philosophy to mutants themselves.  Magneto has attacked his own mutantkind himself though.  
 
@CylonDorado said:
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Lol, according to Darwin, Apocalypse's top priority should be having a bunch of kids.

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LOL. I don't think that Apocalypse ever engaged in any amorous or intimate relationships with anyone. 
#131 Posted by bumnut (1789 posts) - - Show Bio
@Edamame said:
" @bumnut said:
" Does anyone know where Apocalypse is as of now? Last I saw of him was walking of with Stryfe's body.  Was that in the future? Is he around today? "
He should be returning in Second Coming.  Yes. He was in the Age of Stryfe.  He transferred his consciousness into Stryfe's body, which shouldn't have happened because Apocalypse himself said that he couldn't do that to a clone's body. Maybe he was lying? 
 
@bumnut said:
" @Edamame said:
" @CATMANEXE: Holocaust and Stryfe followed Apocalypse's Survival of the Fittest philosophy pretty well. And so does Mr. Sinister and Magneto to a small extent.  Apocalypse, also, wants to rule everyone. He wants to be at the top. "
Holocaust was suppose to be his son, though I don't think in the literal/blood sense, Stryfe was a clone of Cable that Apoc kidnapped from birth and brainwashed into his servitude as a future vessel, Sinister is a geneticist, and couldn't care less for Apoc's way of life, in fact, he's totally against it, hence why he created a being like Cable, to have a weapon to take him down one day, and Mags, only believes in Mutants as a superior race, he's quite different from apoc. "

I don't even think that the comic book writers established where Holocaust comes from. Maybe another adoption, like Stryfe.  Apocalypse also views mutants as being superior to humans, just in a more extreme way.  He even applies the Survival of the Fittest philosophy to mutants themselves.  Magneto has attacked his own mutantkind himself though.  
 
@CylonDorado said:
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Lol, according to Darwin, Apocalypse's top priority should be having a bunch of kids.

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LOL. I don't think that Apocalypse ever engaged in any amorous or intimate relationships with anyone.  "


cool, thanx for the info.  Second Comming, that the next big Xevent? Age of Stryfe, that's already hapend?
#132 Edited by Edamame (28007 posts) - - Show Bio
@bumnut: Age of Stryfe took place in X-Men: Messiah War, when Stryfe ruled the world in the future and of course Apocalypse was not at full power then (he was weakened). Otherwise Stryfe would not be able to rule the world.  : ) 
 
According to Deadpool, the Age of Stryfe was much more extreme and much worse than the Age of Apocalypse. I don't know if I should be taking Deadpool seriously here, but there may be some truth to this statement.  Also, it appears that most of the world's population has died out and there are only a few people left and Stryfe rules over them all.  I don't think that other details have been stated about the Age of Stryfe.    
 
Actually, to be honest, I don't know if Apocalypse will appear in Second Coming. He is already in the future, now in Stryfe's body, which should make him almost as powerful as a Franklin Richards-less and X-Man-less Onslaught.  Imagine all of that raw power.  I only assumed so because he said to Cable that he would be back for Hope Summers, probably to use her as a host body as well. LOL.
 
And yes, Second Coming occurs after Necrosha. 
#133 Posted by thatlad (587 posts) - - Show Bio

Apocalypse has been operating under 'survival of the fittest' for millenia, long before Darwin was a twinge in his old man's ball bag

#134 Edited by Edamame (28007 posts) - - Show Bio

"Sandstormers, whose leader, Baal, saw the child's potential power, and raised him as his own, naming him En Sabah Nur. He was taught in the philosophy that the tribe lives and dies by: survival of the fittest. Nur and Baal were the only Sandstormers to survive on the day that General Ozymandias with his army, destroys the Sandstormers tribe, as they found refuge in a sacred cave before it collapsed. Baal eventually died from lack of nourishment after weeks of deprivation, but before he did, he admitted to Nur that he had believed him to be a savior foretold in ancient prophecies who was destined to overthrow the pharaoh Rama-Tut. The young Nur vowed to take revenge on the pharaoh and claim his destiny" (Comicvine.com).  
 
Apocalypse learned the Survival of the Fittest philosophy from Baal and the tribe. Apocalypse didn't learn about it on his own. Apocalypse simply wanted to live up to what Baal thought of him.  Apocalypse applies this philosophy everywhere and anywhere, no matter what. 

#135 Edited by Edamame (28007 posts) - - Show Bio
@bumnut: It might also be possible that Apocalypse wants to fight with the "strong" mutants against the Celestials. Might be another reason he is so obsessed with the Survival of the Fittest philosophy. 
#136 Posted by Norbit (72 posts) - - Show Bio
@crazy spidey said:
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apocalypse's tag line, is Darwin's survival of the fittest. Like Hitler he makes the mistake that physical strenght is wat Darwin meant. Darwin actually meant that any race had the potential if they had the ability to have offspring, to have variability and inherentence.

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What? Apocalypse isnt wrong. Survival of the fittest in terms of evolution means having favourable traits that enhance your chances of successfully reaching the age of reproduciton.


 

#137 Posted by Edamame (28007 posts) - - Show Bio

Apocalypse only believes in the survival of himself. LOL

#138 Edited by LordMaverick (5192 posts) - - Show Bio
@Eternal Chaos said:
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Hey, guess what. NOBODY F*CKING CARES!


This
#139 Posted by Violet-Eyed Dragon (2271 posts) - - Show Bio
@crazy spidey:   i think what apocalypse means is 
a) he doubts that the existing species are all going to be able to survive together or
b) he thinks that the current living conditions of Earth's species is so miserable he hopes to jumpstart a new race that is happier and more at peace.  

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